Discomfort after dropping stem
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 109
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Discomfort after dropping stem
So I dropped my stem about 20mm more this week (dropped it 10mm last week) and I'm feeling a bit of discomfort in the bum region. I was told and have heard multiple times that dropping the stem will require adjustments in flexibility, namely in the back, neck, etc because of the increased reach but I'm not getting any discomfort there. All my pain seems to be on the sit bones. Particularly today, I've had to shift around a lot while riding. I have, however, spent more time riding this weekend than I normally spend in an entire week.
Basically, do you guys think that dropping the stem was the cause of the discomfort or do you think it is because of the increased time riding? Is there any reason why my sitbones would be hurting after a stem drop?
Basically, do you guys think that dropping the stem was the cause of the discomfort or do you think it is because of the increased time riding? Is there any reason why my sitbones would be hurting after a stem drop?
#4
Beer >> Sanity
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,449
Bikes: 2014 Evo DA2, 2010 Caad9-4, 2011 Synapse-4, 2013 CaadX-disc
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Big changes with little saddle time is probably not ideal. Make a small change, ride a bunch, change again if it doesn't seem ideal, rinse, repeat.
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,764
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1975 Post(s)
Liked 232 Times
in
173 Posts
If you don't have the increased flexibility, then you are probably rotating your hips forward too much which is probably causing some of the sitbone discomfort
#8
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Rep. of Dallas
Posts: 1,062
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 52 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I dropped a total of 30mm, 5cm at a time until the stem was properly slammed.
Last edited by SirHustlerEsq; 04-20-14 at 11:39 PM.
#9
Redefining Lazy
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: North Metro, MN
Posts: 1,923
Bikes: 2013 Cannondale Synapse 5 105, 2013 Giant Escape 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Changes were too rapid. What's the rush?
I recommend 5mm at a time.
S
I recommend 5mm at a time.
S
#10
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,114
Bikes: 2006 Raleigh Cadent 2.0, 2016 Trek Emonda ALR 6, 2015 Propel Advanced SL 2, 2000 K2 Zed SE
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 115 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I hope you mean mm, or did your bike have ape hangers?
#11
Newbie?
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Grenoble, France
Posts: 51
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
A few points from personal experience:
1. You dropped 3 cm in 1 week and changed your riding habits. Your body needs time to adapt, try something like 1 cm max every two weeks (assuming you ride regurlarly, i.e. 5-7 days a week).
2. The dirty truth about "ideal" saddle fit is that your effective sitbone width depends on your position, an aggressive position feels better on a narrower saddle... But really, don't jump to conclusions until your body has had enough time to adapt (at least 2 weeks).
3. There is a point where too much drop results in an abrupt loss of power, you normally want to stay just above that threshold... And no amount of time or equipment will change that fact... If your amount of drop is anything like the drop of a pro rider, there is a good chance you're past that point...
1. You dropped 3 cm in 1 week and changed your riding habits. Your body needs time to adapt, try something like 1 cm max every two weeks (assuming you ride regurlarly, i.e. 5-7 days a week).
2. The dirty truth about "ideal" saddle fit is that your effective sitbone width depends on your position, an aggressive position feels better on a narrower saddle... But really, don't jump to conclusions until your body has had enough time to adapt (at least 2 weeks).
3. There is a point where too much drop results in an abrupt loss of power, you normally want to stay just above that threshold... And no amount of time or equipment will change that fact... If your amount of drop is anything like the drop of a pro rider, there is a good chance you're past that point...
#13
Voice of the Industry
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 12,572
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1188 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
A few points from personal experience:
1. You dropped 3 cm in 1 week and changed your riding habits. Your body needs time to adapt, try something like 1 cm max every two weeks (assuming you ride regurlarly, i.e. 5-7 days a week).
2. The dirty truth about "ideal" saddle fit is that your effective sitbone width depends on your position, an aggressive position feels better on a narrower saddle... But really, don't jump to conclusions until your body has had enough time to adapt (at least 2 weeks).
3. There is a point where too much drop results in an abrupt loss of power, you normally want to stay just above that threshold... And no amount of time or equipment will change that fact... If your amount of drop is anything like the drop of a pro rider, there is a good chance you're past that point...
1. You dropped 3 cm in 1 week and changed your riding habits. Your body needs time to adapt, try something like 1 cm max every two weeks (assuming you ride regurlarly, i.e. 5-7 days a week).
2. The dirty truth about "ideal" saddle fit is that your effective sitbone width depends on your position, an aggressive position feels better on a narrower saddle... But really, don't jump to conclusions until your body has had enough time to adapt (at least 2 weeks).
3. There is a point where too much drop results in an abrupt loss of power, you normally want to stay just above that threshold... And no amount of time or equipment will change that fact... If your amount of drop is anything like the drop of a pro rider, there is a good chance you're past that point...
I would first experiment with saddle height and tilt. Tilt has a huge affect on sitbone pressure. Rotate the saddle back or tip the nose up...this will place more pressure away from the sit bones.
Try different saddles.
Other than that if you neck and back don't complain...I can't ride with low handlebar because of neck (not back or saddle) issues. I would stick with it as you should be able to resolve your saddle pressure issue with adjustment or a different saddle.
#14
Senior Member
Because of the extra reach you might be scooting forward so that your sit bones are coming off the wide part of the saddle, and that can be extremely uncomfortable. As you develop more core strength (back muscles) you'll generally want the stem lower but that's a gradual process, and as you drop the stem you'll also have to adjust the saddle forward and raise the seatpost a bit to keep you in the correct-fit zone. The difference in reach between having the stem level with the saddle and having it about 3 inches lower is around 15mm.
I like to imagine the bottom bracket as a pivot the rider is attached to (by your feet) and when you're weak and fat you have to pivot backwards but as you become strong and thin you pivot forward.
I like to imagine the bottom bracket as a pivot the rider is attached to (by your feet) and when you're weak and fat you have to pivot backwards but as you become strong and thin you pivot forward.
Last edited by Clem von Jones; 04-21-14 at 10:47 AM.
#15
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 7,569
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1851 Post(s)
Liked 678 Times
in
429 Posts
Slamming the stem is overrated and often unnecessary.
If you aren't particularly flexible - and it sounds like you aren't - putting the stem too low is just a recipe for long-term discomfort and possible injury.
Improve your flexibility and then fit the bike to your flexibility level - not the other way around.
If you aren't particularly flexible - and it sounds like you aren't - putting the stem too low is just a recipe for long-term discomfort and possible injury.
Improve your flexibility and then fit the bike to your flexibility level - not the other way around.
#16
You Know!? For Kids!
When you dropped it, did it land on your foot? Is that where the discomfort is? If so, then yes, dropping the stem may have caused it.
__________________
Are you a registered member? Why not? Click here to register. It's free and only takes 27 seconds! Help out the forums, abide by our community guidelines.
Are you a registered member? Why not? Click here to register. It's free and only takes 27 seconds! Help out the forums, abide by our community guidelines.
#18
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,159
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
ride a bike that is properly fit to your abilities. don't listen to the wankers on a forum. Feel free to ignore this post as well. but the fit of your bike is far more important that the look...
#19
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Palm Coast, Fl.
Posts: 164
Bikes: Cannondale SystemSix Carbon
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
"But apparently not in your case which maybe a function of the saddle a bit too wide which is creating chaffing during the pedal stroke."
I had that exact problem when I lowered the stem to a more aggressive position and going from a 143mm to a 130mm solved the problem. Unfortunately I rode for a year in discomfort before listening to someone who knows better....
I had that exact problem when I lowered the stem to a more aggressive position and going from a 143mm to a 130mm solved the problem. Unfortunately I rode for a year in discomfort before listening to someone who knows better....
#21
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
Posts: 2,751
Bikes: Merlin Extra Light, Orbea Orca, Ritchey Outback,Tomac Revolver Mountain Bike, Cannondale Crit 3.0 now used for time trials.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 126 Post(s)
Liked 55 Times
in
34 Posts
I tried lowering my stem yielding to the slam-it peer pressure (no pun intended). It made me more uncomfortable in my neck, shoulders, and on the saddle and I was in fact slower in average mph.
#24
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,764
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1975 Post(s)
Liked 232 Times
in
173 Posts
You are forgetting fitness and increased flexibility that come with training. Most people don't ride slammed stems straight from the beginning. People that seem to have the most issues make adjustments without putting in the corresponding work first.
#25
30 YR Wrench
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Oxford, OH
Posts: 2,006
Bikes: Waterford R-33, Madone 6.5, Trek 520
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
2 Posts
I guarantee I am not! I fit people for a living and am well aware of the relationship between training and (usually) enhanced flexibility. The OP seemed to suggest he had made these changes out of a desire to look the part, and did not base his actions on data. That is what I meant by no such thing as "properly" slammed. It's either appropriate for the rider, or it isn't.