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Old Sram Red with Trimís compatibility with the New Sram Red 22.

Old 04-21-14, 01:12 PM
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Old Sram Red with Trimís compatibility with the New Sram Red 22.

Hi Guys, I done some homework regarding the compatibility between the different generations of Sram Reds.

VeloNews pointed out the difference in compatibility between the Old Red with Trim, and the Red with Yaw.
It works! We test SRAM Red backwards compatibility - VeloNews.com

Originally, I was going to upgrade from the Old Red with Trim, to a Red XGlide Crankset and the Red 10spd FD with Yaw.

After researching deals around the internet and ebay, I’ve found that the price difference between the Red with Yaw and Red 22 is extremely narrow.

Sram said the Red22 is not compatible with the older 10spd Reds, but they said the same thing last time between the old red and the red with yaw.

My LBS said Red22 is still compatible with the OLD red, just the Red22 cranks are thinner, and that shifting might not be as smooth.
You would think, if I am upgrading from the old red to the new, might as well get the latest one, given if the cost is similar.
However, if I end up having to spend a lot more in getting the Red22 to work along side my older Red groupset, I can surely live with the 10spd Red with Yaw.


So, my question is: Can I use the Red22 FD and Red22 Crankset with my current setup?


What I have: Cannondale CAAD10 bb30
Shifter: Red with Trim
Crank: Red Powerglide 53/39 bb30
FD: Force
RD: Red 10spd
Cassette: Ultegra 11-25 & Force 12-27
Chain: DA 7900

What I want:
1) Compact Crankset, so I can use the Ultegra 11-25 cassette (Closer ratios), and shifts better then the force 12-27.
2) Upgrade FD to Yaw, eliminate chain rub.
3) Spending as little as I possibly can, while achiving my goals, and yet be more future proof with-in my budget(Red 22 consideration).
4) Have also considered the Cannondale Hollowgram Crank, they cost too much, but the ability to add a Stages PM is tempting.


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Old 04-21-14, 01:35 PM
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Yup, it'd work. My understanding is that you want to run:

<2012 Red Shifters
Red 22 FD
Red Black RD
Red 22 Crank

The biggest thing about the Yaw FD is that you need the crank to make the most use out of it and you're getting that so it'll work fine. And if you want to upgrade to full 11 speed you just switch your cassette and rear shifter which is one nice thing about SRAM.
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I run 2010 shifters and crank with a 2013 yaw FD, without issues. If you run the 2013 shifters you should run the new crank for the best front shifting.
If you want 11 speed you need a new hub and redish the rear wheel to work, along with all the new 11 speed parts.
I would get the 10 speed yaw FD.
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Originally Posted by dwatson
I run 2010 shifters and crank with a 2013 yaw FD, without issues. If you run the 2013 shifters you should run the new crank for the best front shifting.
Me too (2010 red shifters, yaw FD, exogram chainrings on an old red crank). The shifting is much improved with the new chainrings.
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Thank you for the response everyone.

I think my shifter is the 2010, since it still has the trim stop.

It seems the FD are the same price between the 10spd Yaw & Red22. ($100ish)
The 10spd Yaw crankset is $250-300, and Red 22 Crankset is $450-500.

Should be fine if I go Red22 FD, and 10spd Exogram Yaw crank?


Note: My wheels are 11spd compatible in the case for future upgrade.
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Originally Posted by bbqpork
I think my shifter is the 2010, since it still has the trim stop.

It seems the FD are the same price between the 10spd Yaw & Red22. ($100ish)
The 10spd Yaw crankset is $250-300, and Red 22 Crankset is $450-500.

Should be fine if I go Red22 FD, and 10spd Exogram Yaw crank?
the Yaw FD will work fine with the older Sram Red Shifters, as I was running that combo for a good six months.. The trim stop just needed to just be adjusted depending on what half of the cassette you were on.

It works pretty well with a force crank or older red crankset, but really designed to work with the Yaw crankset.

as far as using a 22red or a 10spd red that is a choice in aesthetics, but nashbar is currently selling the older version for 89.99..

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Originally Posted by Lasrsktr
the Yaw FD will work fine with the older Sram Red Shifters, as I was running that combo for a good six months.. The trim stop just needed to just be adjusted depending on what half of the cassette you were on.

It works pretty well with a force crank or older red crankset, but really designed to work with the Yaw crankset.

as far as using a 22red or a 10spd red that is a choice in aesthetics, but nashbar is currently selling the older version for 89.99..

2013 SRAM Red Braze-on Front Derailleur - Dig In HUGE SAVINGS While Items Last

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Does the Red Yaw FD work with a Shimano Ultegra "brifter" as well?
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OP - you won't have any problems. It will work fine.
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Thank you for the Nashbar link, just ordered the FD.
So, basically, the Red22's FD and Crank is the same as Red with Yaw but re-branded?

Time to Hunt for the crankset in 165mm compact!
^ short leggs... 77cm inseam...

I am also considering the S951 crankset, a little heaver but has the ability add the Power2max Power Meter in the future. Also usable if god forbid I go bbright.
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Best deal I could find for you on the Crankset is:

SRAM Red Exogram BB30 165mm 50 34T Road Bike Crank Set Compact Carbon Fiber 528G | eBay

165mm crank arms in bb30 are really hard to find a good deal on....
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Originally Posted by fstshrk
Does the Red Yaw FD work with a Shimano Ultegra "brifter" as well?
I don't know..

Shimano has changed cable pull ratios on the newer stuff... You can always try it and resell if it doesn't work.
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Originally Posted by fstshrk
Does the Red Yaw FD work with a Shimano Ultegra "brifter" as well?
I would stick with the Shimano FD is you have one. No sense in fixing any problems you may currently have with another problem that are SRAM front derailleurs.
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Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
I would stick with the Shimano FD is you have one. No sense in fixing any problems you may currently have with another problem that are SRAM front derailleurs.

I'd leave the bashing out of this equation.. There is nothing wrong with Shimano, Campy or SRAM... It is all preference and comfort with each product.

I've had no issues with my YAW fd since i have switched from the Ti caged 2012 red setup(it cracked, but SRAM stepped up and replaced it no questions asked).
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Lol...is this Sammy from Vortex?

Oh...wanted to add.

First, I do think you're right about the pull ratio of the 6700 and up FD's.

Second...I had the chance to really ride the new Red 22 when it came out and I wasn't really impressed by the Yaw FD...but I did like new longer levers. I can get SRAM at industry pricing...and I still didn't do it. The rear didn't feel any different compared to my current 10sp Red. If it was that great...I would have snapped it up.

I've used every SRAM FD up to the Yaw and they all worked marginally well. My GF has an S2 with a Rival FD and I've taken it to so many local mechanics and it comes out of adjustment after the first few rides. I'm about to replace it with an 6600 Ultegra one.

People replace SRAM with Shimano FD's...not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
Lol...is this Sammy from Vortex?

Oh...wanted to add.

First, I do think you're right about the pull ratio of the 6700 and up FD's.

Second...I had the chance to really ride the new Red 22 when it came out and I wasn't really impressed by the Yaw FD...but I did like new longer levers. I can get SRAM at industry pricing...and I still didn't do it. The rear didn't feel any different compared to my current 10sp Red. If it was that great...I would have snapped it up.

I've used every SRAM FD up to the Yaw and they all worked marginally well. My GF has an S2 with a Rival FD and I've taken it to so many local mechanics and it comes out of adjustment after the first few rides. I'm about to replace it with an 6600 Ultegra one.

People replace SRAM with Shimano FD's...not the other way around.
Nope not Sammy (don't know who that is) But I am from the LA area and on the vortex under the same name.

I agree with you on the new Red 10sp RD... I am still using the Black edition as there really wasn't a reason to upgrade when I did the shifters, FD and Crankset.

I've never had an issue with my FD aside from the weld breaking on my Ti Cage Red. But as everything goes, every person, mechanic and bike is different...

I currently have 6700 Ultegra on my girlfriends bike and I am not quite happy with it... so that may get a Di2 upgrade in the near future..

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Your user name looks real familiar. I may have met you at some meets a few years back. I go by abtcup on Vortex.

I have the Red black on my bike too. I'm using Q-rings on the front...so thats not helping either. Rear shifts great.

I've never come across issues with Shimano or Campag.
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Originally Posted by Lasrsktr
Best deal I could find for you on the Crankset is:

SRAM Red Exogram BB30 165mm 50 34T Road Bike Crank Set Compact Carbon Fiber 528G | eBay

165mm crank arms in bb30 are really hard to find a good deal on....

Thank you for the link.
Man, 165mm cranks has a premium of an extra $100...
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The reason why I asked about the Shimano compatibility is because I have a friend that does not get the concept of trimming the FD and insists on cross-chaining. Of course an upgrade to Di2 would fix this, but a new FD is a whole lot cheaper if it works.
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Originally Posted by bbqpork
Thank you for the link.
Man, 165mm cranks has a premium of an extra $100...
Yes they do...

I was lucky to find a set of BNIB Sram Red Xglide BB30 cranks for 243 a couple weeks ago... but that was in a common 172.5 53/39 setup...

good luck in your search

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End up getting Wiggle to price match MerlinCycle on the Red crank 165mm.
Wiggle is awesome, quick and easy to deal with. Price matched even when it was a different size in stock at the competitors! Used their live chat to do the PM, waitied maybe 2min for the operator, and 5min to complete the PM. They then give you a code to add to the shopping cart.


Cheapest 165mm on Ebay - $369 + 17 Shipping + $50 prepaid duty = $436usd
Anything 170mm and above are like $250usd...

MerlinCycle - $350usd & Free shipping, no prepaid duty.
Did have the 165mm in compact.

Wiggle - $400usd & Free shipping, no prepaid duty.
PM it to MerlinCycle @ $350usd woot!


Note: Your luck may vary on PMing product that are slightly different.
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Originally Posted by bbqpork
End up getting Wiggle to price match MerlinCycle on the Red crank 165mm.
Wiggle is awesome, quick and easy to deal with. Price matched even when it was a different size in stock at the competitors! Used their live chat to do the PM, waitied maybe 2min for the operator, and 5min to complete the PM. They then give you a code to add to the shopping cart.


Cheapest 165mm on Ebay - $369 + 17 Shipping + $50 prepaid duty = $436usd
Anything 170mm and above are like $250usd...

MerlinCycle - $350usd & Free shipping, no prepaid duty.
Did have the 165mm in compact.

Wiggle - $400usd & Free shipping, no prepaid duty.
PM it to MerlinCycle @ $350usd woot!


Note: Your luck may vary on PMing product that are slightly different.
Wow Awesome luck!!!!!

Enjoy the new crank!
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A little help would be appreciated. I'm running cannondale power glide crank setup. I want to up grade to seam red 22- shifters, fd, rd, cassette, red 22 chain. Can I still run my 10 sp cannondale power glide cranks and chain rings?
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Hi guys,
Although the topic seems a little bit old, I would need some help regarding Sram Red front derailler.
I have a SuperSix Red 2012 edition bike and I'm having problem with the imfamous FD Sram Red and low shift performance (late shift, skipping chain on downshift).
My setup is the following:
Shifters: sram red 2011-2012
Crankset: compact with brand new PowerGlide chainrings
FD Shifter. 2011-2012 sram red.

Due to low shifting performance I want to change the FD, especially the sram red yaw 2x10 one or at least cheaper alternative.

I would like to know if it is possible to use this derailer or some other shimano alternative would be a viable alternative. I already seen that shimano alternative is atleast 30% cheaper (with dura ace fd).

regards
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Originally Posted by Dylmegtrist1
A little help would be appreciated. I'm running cannondale power glide crank setup. I want to up grade to seam red 22- shifters, fd, rd, cassette, red 22 chain. Can I still run my 10 sp cannondale power glide cranks and chain rings?
You should be fine.

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Hi guys,
Although the topic seems a little bit old, I would need some help regarding Sram Red front derailler.
I have a SuperSix Red 2012 edition bike and I'm having problem with the imfamous FD Sram Red and low shift performance (late shift, skipping chain on downshift).
My setup is the following:
Shifters: sram red 2011-2012
Crankset: compact with brand new PowerGlide chainrings
FD Shifter. 2011-2012 sram red.

Due to low shifting performance I want to change the FD, especially the sram red yaw 2x10 one or at least cheaper alternative.

I would like to know if it is possible to use this derailer or some other shimano alternative would be a viable alternative. I already seen that shimano alternative is atleast 30% cheaper (with dura ace fd).

regards
The older SRAM Red FD with the titanium cage is semi-notorious for poor shifting performance, and the usual remedy is to replace it with Force FD. The new "Yaw" FD is also a good replacement and works well with the older shifters and the new powerglide chainrings.
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Let me just sum up something about 2012 or older SRAM FDs (doesn't matter which model) :

DITCH THEM and buy 2013 YAW and beyond.

Just for emphasis.
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