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Old 03-22-05, 02:09 PM
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I'm currently looking at purchasing a new road bike and have been seriously considering titanium? I came across the Macalu frames available at ExcelSports in Boulder, CO. Are these titanium frames too good to be true? If anyone can tell me anything about them I'd appreciate it.

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They're made by Litespeed. I don't know the warranties on them, but they're really Litespeeds.
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I know of two club friends that had them a few years back (5-6 yrs) and both were very happy with them. Can't beat the price, but I'm guessing that most Ti buyers are as interested in the name on the frame as they are in price?
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Originally Posted by Goodie
I'm currently looking at purchasing a new road bike and have been seriously considering titanium? I came across the Macalu frames available at ExcelSports in Boulder, CO. Are these titanium frames too good to be true? If anyone can tell me anything about them I'd appreciate it.

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I recenlty purchased a Macalu Cirrus(a rebadged Merlin Extralite) and found some poor machining in the seatpost that prohibited me from completlety inserting the seatpost. I dont know who to blame about the machining , Excel or Merlin. The shop person I spoke to said "sometimes we get frames with that problem". Am in the process of returning for another frame. The frame is warrranteed through Excel and Merlin/Litespeed for life.

Excel sells the Macalu Professional which is a Litespeed Arenberg and the Cirrus Standard(Extralite) and Compact (Merlin Magia). Excel buys them from Merlin/Litespeed adn puts on thier own labels. Not having ridden the frame yet I expect it to perfom like a Merlin. Except for the internal seaatpost problem the frame looks very nice.
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Thanks very much for the responses. Does anyone know if the tubing quality is exactly the same as Litespeed, i.e) oversized tubing? Dacarzi, you mentioned that you were returning the frame, any word on the waranty offered by Excel/Macalu? Anyone at Excel that you would recommend speaking with? Thanks for your advice, I appreciate it.
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HigherGround, where are you? Maybe you could enlighten Goodie, since your friend was/is considering a Macalu.

If, as dacarzi wrote, the Macalu Professional is a Litespeed Arenberg, I can recommend that one (I'm very happy with my Arenberg), provided the Macalu build quality and Excel's service is on par with that of Litespeed and its dealers.
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Actually, Dacarzi is the friend I had talked to you about. When I saw this thread started, I e-mailed a link to him so he could give his first hand experiences.
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I'm new to this forum thing, must say it's a great source of info. Thanks for your help. In light of what Dacarzi mentioned, the Macalu Cirrus I am considering buying is actually built by Merlin, it's a replica of the Extralight. I guess I'm just wondering how they can call it exactly the same when it costs half the price....there's gotta be some strings attached....if not, I think I'm in! Getty-up!
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Originally Posted by dacarzi
I recenlty purchased a Macalu Cirrus(a rebadged Merlin Extralite) and found some poor machining in the seatpost that prohibited me from completlety inserting the seatpost. I dont know who to blame about the machining , Excel or Merlin. The shop person I spoke to said "sometimes we get frames with that problem". Am in the process of returning for another frame. The frame is warrranteed through Excel and Merlin/Litespeed for life.

Excel sells the Macalu Professional which is a Litespeed Arenberg and the Cirrus Standard(Extralite) and Compact (Merlin Magia). Excel buys them from Merlin/Litespeed adn puts on thier own labels. Not having ridden the frame yet I expect it to perfom like a Merlin. Except for the internal seaatpost problem the frame looks very nice.
Ummm, there aint no way. The geometry is completely different. I think you meant to say that the Macalu Professional is a rebadged Merlin Extralight however the Professional weighs 3.4 lbs and the Extralight only 2.5 lbs. Sorry, you just can't get a Merlin that cheaply. Not saying the Macalu isnt a good bike; it just isnt a Merlin or a Litsespeed even though it may (I dont know) be made by them.
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Originally Posted by HigherGround
Actually, Dacarzi is the friend I had talked to you about. When I saw this thread started, I e-mailed a link to him so he could give his first hand experiences.
Okay! I should have figured you would step in.
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Originally Posted by dacarzi
Not having ridden the frame yet I expect it to perfom like a Merlin. Except for the internal seaatpost problem the frame looks very nice.
That sucks! Buying such a nice bike and then be deprived of riding it. I feel sorry for you. Did your contact at Excel offer some more detail as to


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sometimes we get frames with that problem.
I would guess that Excel hardly has anything to do with the mistake, since they are not involved in the manufacturing process. Quality control should take place at Merlin; they obviously missed this error. If they do so on a regular basis, well...


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Ummm, there aint no way. The geometry is completely different. I think you meant to say that the Macalu Professional is a rebadged Merlin Extralight however the Professional weighs 3.4 lbs and the Extralight only 2.5 lbs. Sorry, you just can't get a Merlin that cheaply. Not saying the Macalu isnt a good bike; it just isnt a Merlin or a Litsespeed even though it may (I dont know) be made by them.
Macalu Cirrus:

Size 59; top tube 58; head angle 74; seat angle 73; no weight specified (says 'sub 3lbs')

Merlin Extralight:

Size 59; top tube 57,5; head angle 74; seat angle 73; 1336g/2.9lbs

So apart from top tube length (which might just as well be a measurement issue or even a typo), these bikes look very similar, don't they?
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Bruco may be on to something. If the Macalu Professional is made by Litespeed/Merlin and the tubes are the same diameter/shape, are formed in the same way (ie., hourglass seatstays & chainstays) and are the same Ti alloy with same frame weight, then it just might be an Extralite with a different standard applied to the visual appearance of the weld. Hopefully the weld integrity is the same. 1/2 cm difference in the top tube would not make a significant difference in the handling.

So the question might be: Is a Professional really an Extralite that didn't quite measure up to the visual standards of a Merlin? Maybe the frame has other cosmetic marks that could cause it to go to Excel. I would love to have a factory second Extralite at half the price. Can anyone get the inside scoop from Merlin or Excel?
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I contacted Excel through their chatroom and got the following from them:

"Hi Tony, I am looking into the Macalu Cirrus Standard frame. My understanding is that it is a Merlin Extralight frame? How is it possible that you are selling this at such a reduced price, are they frames that have some cosmetic inconsistencies and hence Merlin has dealt them to you at a reduced price. In other words, what difference can I honestly expect between this frame and the Merlin Extralight....it almost seems too good to be true! Thanks
Tony: They are made by Merlin for us. They are a little heavier than an Extralight. The merlin are 2.6 lbs and our are 2.9 to3.0 lbs. They are double butted tubeset like Merlins.
Tony: 3.25 tubeset for our Macalu double butted. It was used on a Metrlin Extralight three years ago"

Looks like it's the older tubing. In my opinion it's still a great deal. Any of you guys have any thoughts.

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I was searching more info on my Ti bike and came across this thread which seemed to be most helpful.
Funny (well, not really), I had totally forgotten it.
[MENTION=5668]Bruco[/MENTION], if you are still around, thanks for the info.
Still loving the bike, bought as a frame/fork.
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Excel as a shop, has been around for decades.. One of the Posh Boulder CO ones.
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I was searching more info on my Ti bike and came across this thread which seemed to be most helpful.
Funny (well, not really), I had totally forgotten it.
[MENTION=5668]Bruco[/MENTION], if you are still around, thanks for the info.
Still loving the bike, bought as a frame/fork.
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Ti is fly. Right?
Goes without saying!
Assuming it's stiff enough in the larger sizes for taller folk.
Some older Ti models were ......'beyond lively'.... almost 'whippy' (esp larger sizes)


Mine is an econo-Extralight!
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I just bought an old Macalu competition mtn frame. As clarification on the frames and which Merlin or litespeed they match up to, if you can narrow it down, they are the exact same frame. Now I have no doubt they were probably shipping them the frames that may have come in just over weight but according to Steve at excel sports (who has been around for 20+ years) many of the frames they were getting already had litespeed decals on them and they were just peeling them off and rebranding them. Macalu sold mostly the base models with the 3/2.5 tubing So my frame is either a 99 Obed or a 2000 Pisgah rather than the Owl Hollow with the 6/4 tubing mix that Excel was not buying. I should be able to determine that once it comes in. So Macalu isn't just made by Litespeed Macalu is litespeed.
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I just bought an old Macalu competition mtn frame. As clarification on the frames and which Merlin or litespeed they match up to, if you can narrow it down, they are the exact same frame. Now I have no doubt they were probably shipping them the frames that may have come in just over weight but according to Steve at excel sports (who has been around for 20+ years) many of the frames they were getting already had litespeed decals on them and they were just peeling them off and rebranding them. Macalu sold mostly the base models with the 3/2.5 tubing So my frame is either a 99 Obed or a 2000 Pisgah rather than the Owl Hollow with the 6/4 tubing mix that Excel was not buying. I should be able to determine that once it comes in. So Macalu isn't just made by Litespeed Macalu is litespeed.
this is a response from an Excel Sport manager, posted to a 2011 RoadBikrReview thread on the whole “does LS make Macalu” topic:
Hi. I hope I can fill in the gaps for you. The frames were made during a transition period for Merlin and Litespeed. Initially, the were made by Merlin, but when everything was brought under one roof there was a good chance Litespeed welders helped on the project, too. The frames used double butted tubes from the ExtraLight line and had very similar geometry. Let me know if you have any other questions.”
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