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Do you ever train twice a day?

Old 05-11-14, 10:14 AM
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Do you ever train twice a day?

If so, what are your workouts like? Any benefits seen in doing so?
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Old 05-11-14, 10:28 AM
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once, I rode the train 100 miles then cycled home, so yes.
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Old 05-11-14, 10:44 AM
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5 days a week - 33km in the morning and evening commute from a little under an hour to 1:15 depending on the wind and how I feel. I don't think it's ideal but I've been doing it for 6 months and it seems to work OK.
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Cross-training, yes. I'm a little leery of doing two-a-days on the bike unless I am in VERY good shape.

The exception to this might be long-distance commuting, as mentioned. You may want to be careful of the intensity of the out/back to avoid burnout.
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Old 05-11-14, 09:23 PM
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Once in a while I go for two rides.
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I ride to espresso shop, chill for an extended period then ride home, so yes.
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I often go for a a 30-60 minute walk at lunch, and then do a gym or cycling workout after work.
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When ever it's not raining 11 miles to work, and 11 to 20 on the way home depending on schedule.
Just be careful not to go too hard too often and end up with over training issues.
I usually light spin the day after the "long hilly" ride home.
YMMV
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When I was younger.
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Yes, but not two bike rides. It usually happens when the weather is iffy and I decide to hit the gym after work, then a couple of hours later it clears up and I go to a group ride. I wouldn't do that too often, though...I'm pretty tired the day after.
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Bicycle commuting typically has me doing about 10, 10 mile rides each week. So yes, usually five days a week I ride twice. Lately I've been training to get stronger at riding long distances by doing long rides on Saturdays or Sundays. Since I've been doing the weekend rides I've been trying to take it easy on my Monday and Friday commutes for recovery and rest and I usually try and do 2-3 of my midweek 10 mile rides at a fast/sprint pace. I make sure I have one day a week without any substantial exercise.

This seems to be working OK for me, it is probably not the ideal training plan but I think it keeps me in pretty decent shape and I also get where I need to go.
In reality I think it might be best to do one longer/harder workout each day with a full 24 hours or more to rest and rebuild.

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Old 05-12-14, 12:23 PM
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Bike commuting to work has me cycling twice a day at least a few days a week. I wind up biking fast in the morning and a bit slower on the way home. One thing that is hard for me is to properly warm up before and stretch after each commute ride. When I get to work, I am in a rush to get ready and when I get home in the evening, I just want to relax after work and not stretch... Overall, I think it's fine to work out 2x day, you do need to up the ante in term of stretching, especially if you are older.
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There is evidence that sitting all day long and being sedentary is not healthy. And "they" say that even getting out for 1-2 hours of exercise in the morning before work or after work isn't enough to counteract the negative effects of being sedentary for the other 22-23 hours a day.

Therefore "they" suggest that we be active all day long ... go for a brisk walk or cycle in the morning as a part of our commute to work; get up once an hour and do a lap or two of the office or hike up and down the stairs; go for a brisk walk at lunch; do our usual 1-2 hour workout after work; make our daily activities more active like parking some distance away from the grocery store and walking, walking or cycling or throwing the ball around with the kids, getting up during commerical breaks to lift some weights or jog up and down the stairs or do some active housework .......

Of course rest is important too. Listen to your body and if you feel you need to take a break, take it.

But variety can be a kind of rest ... on Tuesdays I do a challenging spinning class, on Wednesdays I might opt to do a 1-hour walk along the foreshore. I'm still active, but the foreshore walk uses some different muscles and isn't as intense.
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Decades ago when I was running 2500 miles/year, I regularly ran twice per day. It typically was 5 miles in the early a.m. or lunchtime. Then another evening run of 5 (or more) miles, depending on my current training cycle. I probably averaged 3 double workout days per week.

I was mostly injury free (other than persistent ankle sprains) despite the mileage - have no idea if this was a factor or not.

When I was doing serious riding I followed a similar routine, but multiply the mileages by 2.5 to 3. Long runs/rides were weekend only things.

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I've logged 156 workouts since Jan. 1, with about 10 days of total rest, so 35 days have been double workout days. Most of those double dip days are commutes where each 20 mile stretch counts as a workout. No issues yet (actually started this intensity in September last year, trying to accelerate rehab from a broken hip). Running 70 to 100 miles a week 35 years ago, on the other hand, left me constantly injured.
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Old 05-12-14, 07:37 PM
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I'm not going to look for it. But there's data showing two workouts a day for running gives the same training effect as a longer one of the same intensity. So instead of doing a 15 mile run at a certain pace, you break it up to two 7.5 mile runs at different times of day (morning and evening).
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Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
I'm not going to look for it. But there's data showing two workouts a day for running gives the same training effect as a longer one of the same intensity. So instead of doing a 15 mile run at a certain pace, you break it up to two 7.5 mile runs at different times of day (morning and evening).
It's not that simple, actually.

When you're training for marathon distance races, it becomes critically important to NOT break up the long 20+ mile run into two separate runs, even if you run the two shorter runs faster. You need to train the body to adapt to the pounding and fatigue of that 20 mile run in one solid stretch. This has been quite clearly established by coaches in practice at all levels.

For shorter races, such as a 5k, it may actually be more helpful to break that 15 or 20 mile run into two separate short runs but run them significantly faster pace, as it may be more relevant to the physiological systems of greatest importance in a 5k.

In general though, for most running training plans, you should not break up the planned long run, even if you're a 5k runner, unless you're already running 70+mpw.
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Often times I do a morning run before breakfast and then an evening ride. Just because running in the morning is such a drilled-into-my-body routine. Sometimes I mix it up and take the bike out in the morning and then ride again in the afternoon. Morning is never too hard, just used to keep my metabolism going throughout the day.
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I ride as fast as I can to work and back home, I really push it and arrive gassed at both destinations. It's only 6 miles each way so no warm up or cool down, just get on and go as hard as I can. I know, not so smart but that's what I do. At lunch I run an easy 2 miles. Saturday is my 40 to 50 mile group ride.

Probably not the smartest way to train, but I do okay for the limited number of miles I ride.
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If I cycle, I'll run now. I've been a runner whole life, but started cycling and running took a back seat. But for me, cycling is terrible for my fitness. It seems 5 miles of running does twice as much good for my body than 30 miles of cycling, and that includes leg strength, flexibility. That's me, for others it may be different. I'm back to running as much as I can and cycle for commuting and when I have free time.

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Cross training maybe, but single-discipline, no.

I think if you go hard enough during a workout, you can prevent yourself from causing a meaningful adaptation in the second ride of the day.
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