Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Torn - Kestrel Evoke 3.0 w/ 105, or Motobecane Sprint CF Pro w/ Ultegra?

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Torn - Kestrel Evoke 3.0 w/ 105, or Motobecane Sprint CF Pro w/ Ultegra?

Old 05-31-14, 02:02 PM
  #1  
enator
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Torn - Kestrel Evoke 3.0 w/ 105, or Motobecane Sprint CF Pro w/ Ultegra?

Hey, so I'm torn between two road bikes and was hoping to get your input. A little background... I have a commuter single speed already, so this bike will be primarily used for exercise, possibly a little racing, and some longer rides. I realize that if I get into racing, I'll probably be getting a racing specific bike, so for now I'm fine with either of these not being top of the line race specific, as long as they'll work and won't put me at an insane disadvantage. I'm 6'1 or 6'2 with long legs and arms.

First, the Motobecane: Save Up To 60% Off Shimano Ultegra Full Carbon Road Bikes- Motobecane Sprint CF PRO
I like that it's Ultegra and has slightly better cranks than the Kestrel. I would probably go with a 58 for a more responsive bike if I was going to get into racing. From what I understand, I can get a longer stem or different seat post for a better fit if it's too small.

And the Kestrel: Save Up to 60% Off Shimano 105 equipped Carbon Road Bikes - NEW Kestrel Evoke Road Bicycles with Shimano 105 group | Save up to 60% off List prices
I think the Kestrel has a slightly nicer frame, but to be honest I don't really know. It also is 105 instead of Ultegra, which supposedly isn't a huge difference. Otherwise, the components don't seem too different. I would go with a 59.

I'll also throw this in out of left field. It's kind of a mix of the two bikes with what I think is a more aggressive frame and nicer cranks:
Save Up to 60% Off Shimano Carbon Road Bikes, Roadbikes - 2013 Motobecane Immortal Pro

The cost difference for me is negligible. I'm even comfortable spending a few hundred more, but these two seemed like good buys and I'll probably be buying new pedals and a saddle too. I know how to work on bikes, so buying online is fine. I'm also fine with buying from BD - I bought a cheaper sora level bike from them a few years ago for a triathlon and had no issues with it.
enator is offline  
Old 05-31-14, 02:40 PM
  #2  
redlude97
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,527
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1857 Post(s)
Liked 140 Times in 96 Posts
There's a huge difference between 5700 and 6800 FWIW, no idea about the frames
redlude97 is offline  
Old 05-31-14, 02:57 PM
  #3  
Axiom
Fat Cyclist
 
Axiom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 673

Bikes: '11 Cannondale SuperSix Dura-Ace

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Why not check eBay or Craigslist? I lost a bid on a 2013 Cannondale Caad10 with Ultegra. Someone snagged it for like $900 and it was new-old stock. Way more bike for much less. So many killer deals on eBay right now.

Even this:
2011 58cm Trek Madone 3 1 H2 Carbon 20 Speed Road Bike Test Ridden Few X | eBay
Axiom is offline  
Old 05-31-14, 03:09 PM
  #4  
enator
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Axiom View Post
Why not check eBay or Craigslist?
I actually have been checking Craigslist, but haven't thought of Ebay. I'll have to take a look.
enator is offline  
Old 05-31-14, 06:32 PM
  #5  
nastystang
Senior Member
 
nastystang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Edmonds Wa
Posts: 645

Bikes: 2014 Felt F2 2015 Specialized Tarmac Sport

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Ultegra 6800 is a huge difference over 5700 105, don't confuse it with Ultegra 6700 that is only slightly lighter and functionally the same as 105. The 6800 bike is 22 speed not 20 as well. Other than that everything else is a wash. Kestrel may have a slight edge on frame but not sure. Not real familiar with the Veulta wheelsets but if I were making this decision I would go with the 6800 bike.
nastystang is offline  
Old 05-31-14, 07:30 PM
  #6  
enator
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Good to know. I'm really leaning towards this bike now. My other option is a similarly specc'd bike (ultegra 6800, same cranks and wheels) but it's an AL frame. I'll save $500 by going AL, which I just might do.
enator is offline  
Old 05-31-14, 07:30 PM
  #7  
Essex
Senior Member
 
Essex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Northeast United States
Posts: 1,147

Bikes: Tarmac, Focus Urban 8, Giant Hybrid

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I saw the Motobecane on the streets here in NYC. The LOGO WAS VERY BIG. The rider was a FRED. Personally, I wouldn't go with either. As one poster had mentioned - look for some good used bargain.
Essex is offline  
Old 05-31-14, 08:03 PM
  #8  
SundayNiagara
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 417
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Caveat emptor!
SundayNiagara is offline  
Old 05-31-14, 08:23 PM
  #9  
seymour1910
Senior Member
 
seymour1910's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Hampton, VA
Posts: 2,784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I think the bikes are ok, and nothing wrong with buying from BD. My only thing with them is I hear bad things about their support. I know you said you can do your own wrenching but what about warranty support. At the prices you are looking at you can get a nice bike and have a warranty.

Here is a carbon bike with 105 and Performance will provide better support than BD

Fuji Altamira 3.0 LE Road Bike - 2014 Performance Exclusive - Racing Bikes

another option

Ridley Fenix AL1 105 7005 Road Bike - 2014 Performance Exclusive - Racing Bikes

another

Fuji Gran Fondo 3.0 LE Road Bike - 2014 Performance Exclusive - Racing Bikes
seymour1910 is offline  
Old 05-31-14, 09:45 PM
  #10  
enator
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks, these all seem like great bikes. I haven't even checked out any local shops yet, so I should do that too.

BTW - I'm not sure what a FRED is, so I may be one. I really just want to buy a bike that's going to be the most fun to ride, so I'll ride it more often. You're not looking at the labels when you're riding it, so looks/label size really don't matter to me.
enator is offline  
Old 06-01-14, 10:58 PM
  #11  
VaultGuru
Senior Member
 
VaultGuru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Fair Oaks,CA
Posts: 736

Bikes: Kestrel RT1000 & Calfee Tandem

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have been a loyal Kestrel guy since the 4000's and have owned probably 7+ Kestrels. I loved the Evoke and owned two of them. Light, quick handling, and stable in corners (even on crappy road surfaces). I averaged about 6k/yr when I owned them and rode many double centuries with no problems. My buddy that rode the doubles with me has three of them and loves them too. My last Evoke developed a seam problem in the top tube at about 10k miles and was "no fault" replaced with a RT1000 . Since Kestrel sold to Fuji Heavy Industries about 4 years ago, the quality has gone way down. In my opinion, the Evoke was the last high quality Kestrel. You should have many trouble free miles on your Evoke. Just check out the frame in minute detail. What you choose for components is up to you.
VaultGuru is offline  
Old 06-02-14, 08:40 AM
  #12  
lyrictenor1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Long Beach, CA
Posts: 516

Bikes: 2016 Fuji SL

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by VaultGuru View Post
Since Kestrel sold to Fuji Heavy Industries about 4 years ago, the quality has gone way down. In my opinion, the Evoke was the last high quality Kestrel. You should have many trouble free miles on your Evoke. Just check out the frame in minute detail. What you choose for components is up to you.
Just as a quick aside: Kestrel did not sell to Fuji Heavy Industries; ASI (Advanced Sports, Inc.) acquired Kestrel. ASI is the holding company for Fuji Bicycles, Terry Precision Bicycles, Oval Concepts and a few others, I think. Fuji Heavy Industries is a completely different company.
lyrictenor1 is offline  
Old 06-02-14, 09:12 AM
  #13  
unionmade 
Senior Member
 
unionmade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 502

Bikes: Litespeed M1, Jamis Sputnik

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've got nothing against BD (many will). If you're doing online, you should also check out sale stuff at www.competitivecyclist.com
Also, someone posted this in another thread last week. Worth a look Litespeed L1 Ultegra Road Bike | Litespeed Bicycles | Brand | www.PricePoint.com
unionmade is offline  
Old 06-03-14, 09:35 AM
  #14  
enator
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks for the input guys. I actually ended up researching cost to build my own bike, and was looking for cheaper frames... in that search I ended up finding a partially built 2013 motobecane immortal ice with a cosmetically blemished fork at bike island. I'm not sure what the relationship between bike island and bikes direct is, but bike island gave me a really awesome deal on it. I should be able to use this to put together a full Ultegra 6800 bike at close to the same price point as the mix-matched Ultegra/105/FSA bikes I was looking at, depending on how fancy I want to get with the wheels. The bike comes next week. I'm pumped.
enator is offline  
Old 06-03-14, 10:20 AM
  #15  
06SpiceRed
Powered by Di2
 
06SpiceRed's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Louisville/Lakwood, Colorado
Posts: 135

Bikes: Di2 this and Di2 that

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Nice, thats an awesome find
06SpiceRed is offline  
Old 06-03-14, 11:16 AM
  #16  
rms13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,517
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 273 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Bikeisland.com is the same company. What was included in the partial build and what was the price? Building usually costs much more than buying complete. To keep cost down you usually have to be patient shopping for bargains on parts and trying to win eBay auctions. I've built two fixed gear bikes from scratch and each cost around $1000 and could have bought equivalent new bikes for $500-750.

If you have to pay someone for work figure another $150. My friend got some good deal on a used Bianchi frame for $500 and had a shop do his build with sram rival and all new parts and ended up around $1700 all said and done. Probably could have bought an equivalent new bike for that price.

There is a rabbit hole with builds because a lot of people don't figure cost of cables, housing, ferrel and all the small parts and specialized tools if you are doing it yourself or labor at the shop. All adds up
rms13 is offline  
Old 06-03-14, 12:08 PM
  #17  
enator
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Ok, good to know about bike island and bikes direct. I figured they had to be closely related, but wasn't sure if they were the same company or not. Makes sense as to why they have so many BD manufactured bikes.

True, there are a lot of small costs that add up in a build. Luckily this bike isn't really a build. I guess instead of saying partial build, I should have said incomplete bike... the bike was missing wheels, tires, tubes, skewers, and cassette. My guess is the fork was blemished in shipping, and in emails they said the wheels were taken off sometime for something else. I paid $1,150. Originally, it was priced higher, but I showed them some math and offered to buy it if they came down in price, and they did. Surprisingly, they actually discounted it a little more than I had asked for. I wonder if that had something to do with their ordering system's price settings or what not. Anyway, I think it was a really good deal.

Since it's not a real build, I won't get dinged with small costs and I already have the tools/know how to work on it. I'll still be taking the bike mostly apart to tune it up before riding it, but that's what you gotta do when ordering bikes off the internet.
enator is offline  
Old 06-03-14, 01:59 PM
  #18  
rms13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,517
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 273 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Sounds like a great deal knowing you are basically getting a complete new 6800 group minus cassette.

I recommend Vuelta Corsa Lite if you want a good deal on wheels. I paid $230 shipped for a set recently. A little less than 1600 grams for the pair, good bang for the buck

Vuelta Corsa Lite Road Wheelset - Modern Bike

You could get those, a 6800 cassette and tires and tubes and still be around $1500 for the complete bike
rms13 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
sevenmag
Road Cycling
3
07-17-16 02:50 PM
nemeseri
Road Cycling
33
08-06-14 05:39 PM
AddictedToMusic
Road Cycling
49
04-28-12 08:58 PM
aquateen
Road Cycling
100
12-22-11 02:30 AM
Sawtooth
Cyclocross Racing
4
08-25-11 12:52 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.