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Old 06-18-14, 12:22 PM
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Looking at Campy wheels

In the market for a second wheelset for my Pinarello and I'm looking at Campy wheels. I posted an abbreviated version of this question in a recent thread but it was overlooked.

I'm a 6' 235 rider. I did check on Campy's website and they say that anyone over 109 kg (240 lb's) should not use their wheels. They say if you are over 180 lbs to be vigilant about wheel inspection. These limits appear to apply to all of their wheelsets. I think I'll be ok since I'm pretty apt at unweighting my seat when necessary. Since I started cycling from scratch in July 2010, I've done close to 10k miles and have only 3 broken spokes to show for it. No matter what strength remains an important aspect, however.

I am not looking for an astronomical upgrade. Bling is around 1/3 of why I want the new wheels. I do want an upgrade, however. I ride around 2500+ miles a year mostly solo and average in the 16.5 - 17.5 range. Overall my approach to cycling is casual but I do generally push pretty hard when I ride.

Also, how is maintenance on these wheels? I can wrench a little bit but am no expert. Are any special tools needed?

Enough background... my questions/observations so far:

1) Khamsins (G3) - Probably strong enough, nice and cheap (UK sites) but are they really an upgrade? The R500's have actually been pretty darn good. Campy website shows 24 spokes in rear but spec doc says 27. 1912 g.

2) Vento (G3) - Probably strong enough as well, still pretty cheap but seem to get good reviews. Getting major consideration. Campy website shows 24 spokes in rear but spec doc says 27. 1866 g.

3) Scirocco 35mm (G3) - I'd love to get these as they are still pretty reasonable. I'm concerned about 21 rear spokes (only 16 on front). Also, is 1798 gram weight getting a bit too light for someone 235 lb's. Do the 35mm rims increase strength?

4) Zonda (G3) - On sale on Wiggle right now ($375) has me looking at these but I have the same concerns with them as I do the Scirocco's but even more because they are even lighter (1594 g).

Note: There are differences on the above spoke counts and weights between Campy's own documentation and webpages along with what Wiggle is showing (like 18 front spokes for the Scirocco's and Zonda's). Any definitive information regarding the spoke counts would be appreciated.



Thanks in advance!
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Old 06-18-14, 12:58 PM
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Do you have a campy cassette?
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Old 06-18-14, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvo View Post
Do you have a campy cassette?
No, I would be getting a Shimano hub, 10 speed cassette.
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Old 06-18-14, 09:12 PM
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Sorry I don't have any particular insights into the Campy hoops, but I would like to ask the OP if has considred any other wheels? The reason being that, if we're talking about performance gains, might not a wide rim that optimizes tire width allow you to realize some reductions in rolling resistance, and gains in handling and comfort?

i don't mean to dissuade you from Campagnolo necessarily, but I think that looking at a wide (and tubeless) setup would check a few more upgrade boxes than what the Campags will deliver.
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Old 06-18-14, 10:01 PM
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Compagnolo is expensive. It offers nothing that Shimano can't deliver.

Is there any wrong with Dura Ace?
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Old 06-18-14, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by NormanF View Post
Compagnolo is expensive. It offers nothing that Shimano can't deliver.

Is there any wrong with Dura Ace?
Nothing wrong with Dura-Ace, just significantly more expensive that anything the OP was asking for. Campy wheels are actually pretty competitively priced at the UK vendor like Ribble or Chain Reaction.

There's always the custom or semi-custom wheel options. A good set would be $500-600, but would be lighter than your current wheels and more durable. There's also Fulcrum, which is a division of Campy but with Shimano hubs. The new Racing 5 would be light and robust.
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Old 06-19-14, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NormanF View Post
Compagnolo is expensive. It offers nothing that Shimano can't deliver.

Is there any wrong with Dura Ace?
I love the irony.
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Old 06-19-14, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gsa103 View Post
Nothing wrong with Dura-Ace, just significantly more expensive that anything the OP was asking for. Campy wheels are actually pretty competitively priced at the UK vendor like Ribble or Chain Reaction.

There's always the custom or semi-custom wheel options. A good set would be $500-600, but would be lighter than your current wheels and more durable. There's also Fulcrum, which is a division of Campy but with Shimano hubs. The new Racing 5 would be light and robust.
Just a point of clarification for the OP which you likely know gsa....
Both Campy specific and Fulcrum wheelsets are available with both Campy and Shimano Freehubs. The hubs themselves are in fact the same for both, but only the freehub is changed....they design the different length Campy and Shimano freehubs to work with the same rear wheel hub width.

OP...if you go to either Fulcrum or Campy wheels, you need to consider if want to go 11s in the future. My opinion on this is...go with a Shimano 11s rear freehub whether you are going to run Campy 11s or....Shimano 10 or 11s.
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Thanks for the responses so far. I realize my OP stating my background/intentions was probably a bit verbose so it was understandably glossed over pretty quickly as I do that myself frequently. I will summerize:

1) Interested in second set of wheels since I like having a backup set. OEM R500's to be backup set. Not looking for major upgrade but want at least a moderate upgrade. I want Campy. If I decide I do not want Campy I know my options. I know about the association with Fulcrum as well.

2) Regarding cost I will be getting these via a UK site where they are extremely competitively priced. What site I am not yet sure of. Ribble, which I've used before does not offer Shimano hubs on the Campy wheels that I am targeting. Wiggle has Zonda's for $375.

3) Even though Campy basically says that up to 240 lb's is ok am I better off going with a heavier lower tier wheelset with more spokes (Ventos) over something like the Zondas? I'm 235 lb's. Are the Scirocco's a good middle ground and are they stronger due to the deeper rims?

4) How is maintenance on these wheels? I know there is a spoke kit.

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Old 06-20-14, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by knobd View Post
Thanks for the responses so far. I realize my OP stating my background/intentions was probably a bit verbose so it was understandably glossed over pretty quickly as I do that myself frequently. I will summerize:

1) Interested in second set of wheels since I like having a backup set. OEM R500's to be backup set. Not looking for major upgrade but want at least a moderate upgrade. I want Campy. If I decide I do not want Campy I know my options. I know about the association with Fulcrum as well.

2) Regarding cost I will be getting these via a UK site where they are extremely competitively priced. What site I am not yet sure of. Ribble, which I've used before does not offer Shimano hubs on the Campy wheels that I am targeting. Wiggle has Zonda's for $375.

3) Even though Campy basically says that up to 240 lb's is ok am I better off going with a heavier lower tier wheelset with more spokes (Ventos) over something like the Zondas? I'm 235 lb's. Are the Scirocco's a good middle ground and are they stronger due to the deeper rims?

4) How is maintenance on these wheels? I know there is a spoke kit.
Bump.... hard to believe there aren't people in the 41 that can shed some light on the Campy wheels I'm referring to. I should have made the title a bit more sexy or just mention GP 4000 somewhere ....
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Personally, I'd go for a handbuilt set consisting of Open Pro rims, Shimano 11s hub (ultegra?) and Sapim Race or DT Swiss spokes; 24 in front in 2x pattern and 32 spokes in rear with 3x pattern.

But that won't be as cheap as the Vento G3 wheels so get those.

You might want to check the Clydesdale forum to see what they recommend.
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That doesn't answer any of the OP's requests, does it? At least we know you like old fashioned wheels.
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I apologize this doesn't answer your original post entirely but have you considered an older set of Eurus wheels? Not sure if the freehub can be swapped as I have never had to look into that but if it is possible I know my Eurus G3 wheelset is darn near bomb proof. I love them. They have lasted through some serious riding and never given me any issues. My experience with Campy wheels have been extremely positive. I don't consider myself a cylde but I weigh 6'1" 180 and ride on some terrible roads. The only time I have had to do any maintenance on them is when I set the inner stop on the rear derailleur incorrectly and subsequently had to replace a spoke.... But ordering the spoke replacement kit and truing/tensioning them up was simple enough and I had it back on the bike in no time.

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My only experience with Campy wheels is the Vento G3 set that came on my '06 Bianchi. I'm just over 180 lb. and they've been absolutely zero maintenance. They've held true and just keep on rollin'.

As for the spoke count question earlier... I'm not sure if they've changed since '06, but my rear is 27-spoke and front is 24-spoke.
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Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
Personally, I'd go for a handbuilt set consisting of Open Pro rims, Shimano 11s hub (ultegra?) and Sapim Race or DT Swiss spokes; 24 in front in 2x pattern and 32 spokes in rear with 3x pattern.

But that won't be as cheap as the Vento G3 wheels so get those.

You might want to check the Clydesdale forum to see what they recommend.

If I decide not to go with Campy I will probably just get another set of these which are on my cross bike:

PURE Aero + Shimano 700c Wheel Set

I got them with Ultegra hubs and they have been excellent. They are currently the best wheels I own but I want to keep them on the cross bike.

The Vento's are under strong consideration. It seems like the reviews are very positive for them wherever I look.



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I apologize this doesn't answer your original post entirely but have you considered an older set of Eurus wheels? Not sure if the freehub can be swapped as I have never had to look into that but if it is possible I know my Eurus G3 wheelset is darn near bomb proof. I love them. They have lasted through some serious riding and never given me any issues. My experience with Campy wheels have been extremely positive. I don't consider myself a cylde but I weigh 6'1" 180 and ride on some terrible roads. The only time I have had to do any maintenance on them is when I set the inner stop on the rear derailleur incorrectly and subsequently had to replace a spoke.... But ordering the spoke replacement kit and truing/tensioning them up was simple enough and I had it back on the bike in no time.

I'd probably prefer new Zonda's at $375 over used Eurus. Many of my questions revolve around the lighter and better wheels being sturdy enough for my 235 lb frame. Campy applies a 240 lb (109kg) weight limit to all of their wheels (Frequently asked questions - Campagnolo) but the lower spoke count of the Zonda's still concerns me a bit. However if maintenance is not a big deal I may be able to live with an extra broken spoke here and there and that is why I asked the maintenance question.

Originally Posted by SkyDog75 View Post
My only experience with Campy wheels is the Vento G3 set that came on my '06 Bianchi. I'm just over 180 lb. and they've been absolutely zero maintenance. They've held true and just keep on rollin'.

As for the spoke count question earlier... I'm not sure if they've changed since '06, but my rear is 27-spoke and front is 24-spoke.
I think the Vento's are a safe bet as far a reliability. It's just that the Zonda's are within $100 of them on Wiggle so they are very tempting. I should probably just get the semi deep 35mm Scirocco's and split the difference.

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knobd, what did you finally decide upon? I am in a similar position, and considering many of the same wheels that you were looking at. I am mostly debating between the Vento and Scirocco wheels, and keeping the Zondas in mind as a reward when I get my weight down to 170 - 175.
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who buys campy wheels??
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Ive got Fulcrum Racing 1's & Campagnolo Bullet Ultra CULT, love them both. I started on them around 200lbs, I'm a nice trim 185 now (6'5") and the wheels are as true as the day I received them both. I've put 5000km on the Fulcrums and 7500 on the Bullets.
I recommend both.
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