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Group Riding, Do's and Don'ts.

Old 07-03-14, 11:09 PM
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Group Riding, Do's and Don'ts.

Is there a sticky or link to the rules of group riding or just sharing the road well traveled by cyclist. Today was the first day there were several other riders on a rode used by cyclist a lot. I was riding considerably faster than a group, so passed far to the left, after a bit one of the riders came whipping up along side of me and said "Howdie", kind of snobby and then faded back to his group. Had me wondering if I did something wrong. Also would like to join a local club, and not be a total Noob.
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Old 07-03-14, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jareed58 View Post
Is there a sticky or link to the rules of group riding or just sharing the road well traveled by cyclist. Today was the first day there were several other riders on a rode used by cyclist a lot. I was riding considerably faster than a group, so passed far to the left, after a bit one of the riders came whipping up along side of me and said "Howdie", kind of snobby and then faded back to his group. Had me wondering if I did something wrong. Also would like to join a local club, and not be a total Noob.


Cyclists just can't win.

If we appear not to wave, we're considered snobs .... when one cycles up to another cyclist and greets him, we're considered snobs. <<sigh>>


Why assume that the cyclist was up to no good? Why not assume that the cyclist just wanted to say "hi"?

How did you respond? Did you greet the cyclist back? Did you make conversation ("Nice day for a ride")? Did you smile at the cyclist?

Maybe the cyclist wanted to invite you to ride with their club.
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Old 07-03-14, 11:34 PM
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I said Hi as I went by, the women in the group said Hi back. The guy that came up along side said howdie in a snobbish tone then faded back, I did say hi back to him. Easy to recognize genuine niceness, and this wasn't it. I am looking for info so I don't offend anyone. If I should have passed differently or announce that I was coming by, hope to pick up a few pointers, like that, before I need it. I would like to be a courteous cyclist.
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Old 07-03-14, 11:36 PM
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You need to yell "KEEP RIGHT" while you pass then at 28 mph
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Don't be a squirrel. Don't cause a gap. Don't halfwheel. Don't grab brakes. Don't accelerate off the front of the rotation. Don't drop bottles. Don't come out unprepared. Don't throw your bike back when standing. Don't litter. Don't blow snot rockets or pee unless you're at the back.
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Originally Posted by jareed58 View Post
I said Hi as I went by, the women in the group said Hi back. The guy that came up along side said howdie in a snobbish tone then faded back, I did say hi back to him. Easy to recognize genuine niceness, and this wasn't it. I am looking for info so I don't offend anyone. If I should have passed differently or announce that I was coming by, hope to pick up a few pointers, like that, before I need it. I would like to be a courteous cyclist.
OK, first thing you need to know to be a courteous cyclist ...

Don't read "tone" into someone's greeting (whether it is a wave or a verbal greeting). Don't assume all sorts of things about other cyclists. You don't know what the intent of the greeting was ... you don't know what was going on in his mind. Maybe he had an accent you were unfamiliar with.

He came up and greeted you. Take that at face value as a friendly action.

And if he didn't say anything to you along the lines of, "Excuse me, but you passed us kind of close there" or "Next time, would you mind calling out before you pass us" ... then don't worry about it. He just said ... "howdy". Did he actually say the word "howdy"?


Second thing ... were you on a road or a MUP?

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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Don't be a squirrel. Don't cause a gap. Don't halfwheel. Don't grab brakes. Don't accelerate off the front of the rotation. Don't drop bottles. Don't come out unprepared. Don't throw your bike back when standing. Don't litter. Don't blow snot rockets or pee unless you're at the back.
+1

Good advice.
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i don't have any comment right now. i'm waiting for Dr. Phil or Ann Landers to chime in and see what they have to say.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Don't be a squirrel. Don't cause a gap. Don't halfwheel. Don't grab brakes. Don't accelerate off the front of the rotation. Don't drop bottles. Don't come out unprepared. Don't throw your bike back when standing. Don't litter. Don't blow snot rockets or pee unless you're at the back.
you forgot always spit to your right and always look over your shoulder first.
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Group Riding, Do's and Don'ts.

OP is correct. Cyclists are snobs, and they dress funny.
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Good reply Machka.
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Old 07-04-14, 06:48 AM
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The polite response would have been a simple and friendly "eff you, buddy".
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The polite response would have been a simple and friendly "eff you, buddy".
Better still, pointing to each member of the group, " eff you, eff you, you're okay, eff you, eff you, I'm outta here" as you speed off into the distant sunset, the lone cyclist.
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BYW, nice new avatar, you look a little more approachable in the lying down position.
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BYW, nice new avatar, you look a little more approachable in the lying down position.
It's supposed to represent the demiurge looking beneficently down on you, at least until something snaps my twig.
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Also would like to join a local club, and not be a total Noob.
Where are you?
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Where are you?
Louisiana.
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You passed a group that was doing a social or recovery ride, and the guy who closed to you and dropped back was giving you a taste of reality.
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Some groups have a variety of riders at different abilities, but often keep the pace controlled so everyone can stay with it. Sounds like one of the stronger riders just wanted to show you that your speed as you passed wasn't challenging, and at the same time giving a quick hello. Don't ever assume that riders you pass aren't as fast as you. They might be just finishing a century, had a recent injury, doing intervals or a recovery ride, etc.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Don't be a squirrel. Don't cause a gap. Don't halfwheel. Don't grab brakes. Don't accelerate off the front of the rotation. Don't drop bottles. Don't come out unprepared. Don't throw your bike back when standing. Don't litter. Don't blow snot rockets or pee unless you're at the back.
+1. Also, drink when you're at the back. And don't suck wheel for 3 hrs and then sprint all-out at the "finish line" (OK for races, not for group rides).
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Don't ever assume that riders you pass aren't as fast as you. They might be just finishing a century, had a recent injury, doing intervals or a recovery ride, etc.
This. Took me a while to learn it, but finally driven home when I saw a rider I had blown by a few times doing rather well in a local race. Now I assume that everyone I see (with a few obvious exceptions) is just as fast, if not faster, than me.
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Some groups have a variety of riders at different abilities, but often keep the pace controlled so everyone can stay with it. Sounds like one of the stronger riders just wanted to show you that your speed as you passed wasn't challenging, and at the same time giving a quick hello.
Probably 99% this.

You could've done this after a few rides with that particular group & they'd have figured you improved enough to spend your newfound speed but they'd have known you already knew the fast folks in the group could easily pass you whenever they pleased so they'd have just watched you go by & maybe make a joke or 2 at your expense with no harm done.

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They didn't "yell at you".
Maybe they thought you were snobbish as you sped by.
I will usually take a few moments to talk with other cyclist, while passing or being passed, perhaps I'm just strange. Unless you're in a race or some super training interval thing it wouldn't hurt to socialize a little. Who knows they may by the group you're seeking. @caloso has the sound general rules of group riding.
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