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Old 07-17-15, 05:47 PM
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The Di2 bike is gone, but they're gonna sell framesets so you can build it yourself. Which is great, because the Di2 bike came with a 52-36 and a dropper post, neither of which I wanted.
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Old 07-17-15, 07:04 PM
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Where do you see that? At one point all the Diverge models were posted before some were taken down. I haven't seen any framesets yet.
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Old 07-23-15, 07:05 AM
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Delivery to shops will start at end of July
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max tire width revisited

I'd previously put on some Conti SpeedRide 700x42 tires and felt that the was too little clearance. Mounted on the OEM Axis wheels they measured 40mm wide and only gave 2.5mm clearance with the fork legs and even less with the seat and chain stays. For this reason I stuck with Conti Cyclocross 700x35 tires (measured width 36mm on Easton EC70 wheels) front and rear.

Well, curiosity and a desire for a bit more front end cushion and grip got the better of me, and I mounted a SpeedRide 700x42 tire on the front EC70. A short ride showed that the tire sprue nubs (mold "whiskers") brushed the inside of the fork legs, but there was no evidence that the tire itself touched. As a further test I put strips of white vinyl tape inside the fork legs, trimmed the sprues a bit with scissors, and went out again. Conditions were dry, and I was able to pound the front end pretty hard on corners an bumps. The ride was nice, noticeably smoother than with the 36mm tires, and I felt more confident cornering and in loose conditions. There was no evidence that the tire contacted the fork legs - the white tape was clean and unmarked. Looks like the Diverge fork and EC70 wheel are sufficiently stiff (at least for my weight, 160 lb.) to use a 40mm tire in dry conditions.


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Originally Posted by vinuneuro View Post
Where do you see that? At one point all the Diverge models were posted before some were taken down. I haven't seen any framesets yet.
Let's just say that a little birdie showed the 2016 dealer book.
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Old 08-17-15, 06:22 PM
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I completed the switch to non-SCS wheels with carbon rims, and have the original Diverge Axis 4.0 disc wheels with disc rotors available if anyone is interested in a second wheelset. Located in So. Calif., but can ship conUS. Contact me by PM.
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Originally Posted by lvick View Post
I completed the switch to non-SCS wheels with carbon rims, and have the original Diverge Axis 4.0 disc wheels with disc rotors available if anyone is interested in a second wheelset. Located in So. Calif., but can ship conUS. Contact me by PM.
Can you tell us precisely what you did to run a non SCS hub with carbon rims?...what hubs and rims you chose with spoke count?
Any pics?
Lots of people here leary of the SCS specific hub who want to put aftermarket wheels on the Diverge but struggle with rear spacing.

Thanks

PS: here is one creative gent's solution to working around SCS spacing: Last page, last post for this thread:
Diverge anyone? - Page 2- Mtbr.com

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Old 08-18-15, 10:23 AM
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Hi C4L,

I had EC70 wheels on hand and wanted to use them with gravel tires and the stock Axis 4.0 wheels for the road. The problem is that the Axis hub and cassette are set inward 2.5mm relative to most other hubs. (This was done to "improve" chainline on Short Chain Stay bikes like the Diverge). The RD hanger on the Diverge is thicker to set the RD inward for the SCS hub. To get cassettes on regular hubs to fit I just ground off some of the extra metal on the Diverge RD. This was described earlier in Post #124 of this thread (shown below). I also described this in a similar post, #13 , in the mtbr thread you provide a link to (I go by "levity" on mrbr, but that name was take on this site so I had to register as "lvick" here).

Swapping rear wheels was a bit of a hassle because I had to re-adjust the RD stops and cable each time to correct for the different hub/cassette positions. I recently scored a set of EC90 wheels and am using them with the Roubaix road tires. This make wheel swapping fast and easy. I no longer need the Axis 4 wheels, so they are for sale. They're fine wheels, strong and sturdy, just a bit heavier than the Easton carbon wheels. (Much of the weight difference is actually in the hubs.)


Originally Posted by lvick View Post
The mrs and I each recently bought Diverge Comp Carbon bikes that we’ve been personalizing, and like others we wanted to use a second wheelset with standard 135mm spacing. We both had Easton EC70 wheels (carbon rims, ~1500g set) that we wanted to be able to use. The front wheels with 15mm thru axles mounted up fine. However, the rear wheels with 12mm thru axles presented the much maligned “SCS hangup” - the cassette lockring hit the inward-offset rear derailleur hanger.

“Factory Solution”

First option was to replace the rd hanger with the supplied QR hanger which does not have the SCS offset. This worked fine, but the QR axle required using fiddly adaptors on both dropouts. It seemed a shame not to employ the 12mm thru axle the frame and wheels for designed to take advantage of.

“Shade Tree Solution”

The rear derailleur hanger is an inexpensive and easily replaceable part, so break out the power tools! The SCS hanger is fairly burly, like a mountain bike hanger, and seemed to be a good candidate for a diet. Coarse measurements suggested that taking a mm or so off the inner face could provide clearance for the lockring, and the hanger was introduced to the power sanding wheel. Neither the hanger mounting screw nor the rd mounting screw engaged all of the threads on the hanger so there did not seem to be a problem removing material on the inside face. Just enough was ground off to leave a small lip protruding inside the frame as a protective measure. The lower part of the hanger was sanded down to be flush with the rd mounting screw to give maximum chain clearance.




It worked, just barely. There is probably only ~0.2mm clearance between the cassette lockring and the rd hanger and even less, perhaps 0.1mm, between the chain on cog 1 and lower part of the hanger and the rd mounting screw.




The tolerances are so close that I’m not sure it will work on other bikes or wheelsets. Both of our frames, 49cm and 54cm, turned out exactly the same so there is hope if other manufacturer’s wheels and end cap adaptors are similar to the Eastons.

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Old 08-22-15, 10:29 AM
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I'm close to pulling the trigger on a 2015 Expert. The paint is matte grey and thin enough that you can see the carbon fiber weave through. It's gorgeous imo but seems like it may be more fragile. Those of you who have had it a while now, how durable is the finish?
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Just to finally update my post:

I was able to get the front wheel rebuilt with a White Industries CLD 15mm thru axle hub. The Roval CL(X) 40 front rims are drilled with an oddball 8/18 hole pattern. No after market hub fits that lacing pattern, so the trick was to use a 32 hole hub, and only lace every other hub hole on the right (non-disc) side. Ron Ruff at whitemountainwheels.com did a real pro job of it for me, and has experience building wheels with this lacing pattern. In spite of the obnoxious odyssey it took to get this done (thanks one last time, Specialized), I am super happy with how these wheels turned out. They make the Diverge feel almost like a real road bike when I've got them on, and I love the way they feel, handle, and look.

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So I bought this bike to race 2700 miles in 13 days. I failed by two days. But the bike didn't let me down one bit. If a company released a rear hub that would work with this bike without modification then I would rant and rave about it.

Also, I suspect fibreglass is used in the frame (not sure if this is a component of FACT 10r frames?). I can see white strips in the layup anyhow but this may be used to reinforce the frame as it seems more visible in the down tube which would be more vulnerable to stones being thrown up off the front wheel. I only mention this as there have been comments in the past about weight. I've replaced nearly every component on this bike but maybe the fiberglass is adding additional weight than a carbon frame without. Can anyone explain what a FACT 10r frame is precisely?


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Hi All,

New to the forums here and just recently got my Diverge Expert and this bike has simply reignited my passion for cycling.

Does anyone know if the Zipp 303 Firecrest Carbon Disc wheelsets or the Reynolds Assault Disc wheels would be compatible to the Diverge with a little modification?

Thanks

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The price of a beer is brilliant gravelled! Well done indeed!

NEXT Cycling Specialized SCS Compatibility Kit for 2016 Disc Bikes ? NEXT Cycling will do it for a whopping $300 (!) They provide end caps to match the 100x12 mm front axle and 135x12 mm rear axle for converting 142x12 mm and 100x15 mm (only for DT hubs though), they also send a standard 10 speed cassette spacer and a thin shim (just in case) AND they mill down a groove in the spider (unclear how much) of an Ultegra 11 speed cassette just as you did to shift the cassette inward towards the hub flange to give clearence between the cassette lock ring and the chainstay drop out. They claim that they did it for their team cx cyclists who obviously use their fine carbon TL ready DT hub weels, so I don't doubt that it works. I guess that the margin between the biggest sprocket and the hub flange could be smaller on a DT hub than on your Novatec hub.

According to NEXT, Specialized have the SCS system and 12 mm front axle on all 2016 carbon disc road/cx bikes/frames with thru axles (Diverge, Crux, Roubaix and Ruby) Axles Standards and Specialized SCS ? NEXT Cycling

@gravelled: I'm very interested in how you set up the spindle in the mill. Do you have pics of the milling process? AND, did you mill the spider a total of 1.5 mm or did you mill the 0.8 mm lip plus 1.5 mm?

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In a similar fashion to Ivick I had some milling done locally for the price of a beer so was very happy and because pictures are great here it is....



To obtain additional clearance the cassette was milled 1.5 mm. There is a small lip on the spider which itself is about 0.8mm



There's plenty of space for the spokes and the spider was milled by an additional 0.5mm on the y axis to ensure there wasn't any contact with the hub....





Finally I can build my custom wheelset now.

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Originally Posted by gandhi View Post
The price of a beer is brilliant gravelled! Well done indeed!

NEXT Cycling Specialized SCS Compatibility Kit for 2016 Disc Bikes ? NEXT Cycling will do it for a whopping $300 (!) They provide end caps to match the 100x12 mm front axle and 135x12 mm rear axle for converting 142x12 mm and 100x15 mm (only for DT hubs though), they also send a standard 10 speed cassette spacer and a thin shim (just in case) AND they mill down a groove in the spider (unclear how much) of an Ultegra 11 speed cassette just as you did to shift the cassette inward towards the hub flange to give clearence between the cassette lock ring and the chainstay drop out. They claim that they did it for their team cx cyclists who obviously use their fine carbon TL ready DT hub weels, so I don't doubt that it works. I guess that the margin between the biggest sprocket and the hub flange could be smaller on a DT hub than on your Novatec hub.

According to NEXT, Specialized have the SCS system and 12 mm front axle on all 2016 carbon disc road/cx bikes/frames with thru axles (Diverge, Crux, Roubaix and Ruby) Axles Standards and Specialized SCS ? NEXT Cycling

@gravelled: I'm very interested in how you set up the spindle in the mill. Do you have pics of the milling process? AND, did you mill the spider a total of 1.5 mm or did you mill the 0.8 mm lip plus 1.5 mm?

/K

Hi Gandhi, perhaps I should have said for the price of Swedish beer. I'm not Swedish by the way but beer's not cheap in Scandanavia! The fella who owns the machining shop was extremely helpful and I don't think he would have taken any payment unless I'd offered it to him.

The total amount removed was 1.5mm including the lip. I didn't take any pictures I'm afraid. I was captivated, maybe slightly nervous of the whole process. I had a lot swinging on it at the time. Although I wish I had done now to stick up on my blog. He turned both the cassette and the derailleur hanger in a lathe. He took a great amount of care to line up the cassette in the chuck using a gauge and light taps with a mallet, ensuring that the cassette was completely straight as it rotated. I'm not sure what tool specifically he used, maybe a standard prototyping tool. It was the length of time he took to line up the cassette that gave me confidence he would do a good job.

He did the derailleur hanger on a different lathe but despite the hanger's strange shape he turned that very quickly.

If you want any further info on my Diverge I've posted a page all about it here. Apologies for the rest of the site, too busy with my job unfortunately.
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Old 10-19-15, 01:10 PM
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True about Swedish beer (although the micro brewing trend has produced some really nice brews here in Sweden ). Even still, it's way better than $300.
Since NEXT seems to have succeeded with the DT hubs, have you tried your modified cassette on your DT 340 hub?
I'm building a pair of NOx A36D / DT Swiss 350 28 hole wheels for my 2016 Diverge Expert Carbon and your SCS hack combined with the NEXT dito on the DT Swiss hubs has given me the confidence that it can be done.
Thanks for your reply.
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Originally Posted by gandhi View Post
True about Swedish beer (although the micro brewing trend has produced some really nice brews here in Sweden ). Even still, it's way better than $300.
Since NEXT seems to have succeeded with the DT hubs, have you tried your modified cassette on your DT 340 hub?
I'm building a pair of NOx A36D / DT Swiss 350 28 hole wheels for my 2016 Diverge Expert Carbon and your SCS hack combined with the NEXT dito on the DT Swiss hubs has given me the confidence that it can be done.
Thanks for your reply.
/K
Ha! I didn't know you were Swedish. As an aside I've been eyeing up this event Length of Sweden Sverigetempot - 2016 as a possible for next year. Looks good!

I sent the DT Swiss 350 back to the shop before modifying the cassette. It was a straight pull hub and I don't think it would have worked although there was a guy on the Transcontinental Race with a carbon diverge (the expert) who was using that hub with a modified end cap. I hadn't thought about modifying the end cap at the time. That's probably the best route to take as you wouldn't need to stick a new cassette into a lathe when the old one wears out like I'm going to have to do eventually.

Good luck with your build!
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Sverigetempot is really, really long (2100 km). Way too long for me but the midnight sun is a special experience and I wish you all luck should you participate. Just remember to bring some mosquito repellent stick for the north

Thanks for the end cap tip!
I just measured the inside of the chainstay (distance between the surfaces where the hub end cap rests) to 137.5 mm and the OLD on the stock Axis rear wheel to 135.0 mm. This means that there probably is room for an up to 2 mm longer DS end cap which will give the required clearance. I guess there has to be at least 0.5 mm of play in order to get a smooth wheel installation. Was this the modification he had done?
The drawback is that the wheel will get dished. But I will only use this wheelset on this one bike.

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Originally Posted by gandhi View Post
Sverigetempot is really, really long (2100 km). Way too long for me but the midnight sun is a special experience and I wish you all luck should you participate. Just remember to bring some mosquito repellent stick for the north

Thanks for the end cap tip!
I just measured the inside of the chainstay (distance between the surfaces where the hub end cap rests) to 137.5 mm and the OLD on the stock Axis rear wheel to 135.0 mm. This means that there probably is room for an up to 2 mm longer DS end cap which will give the required clearance. I guess there has to be at least 0.5 mm of play in order to get a smooth wheel installation. Was this the modification he had done?
The drawback is that the wheel will get dished. But I will only use this wheelset on this one bike.

/K

I had the 135mm thru-axle end caps and the DT350 hub but the 11 speed cassette was too wide. There wasn't enough of the end cap protruding beyond the cassette. To be honest I couldn't say for certain what he did and I should have been more inquisitive I guess. I had the small matter of a 2700 mile race up ahead though so I was a little sidetracked!

I assumed he'd followed Modio's lead Diverge anyone? - Page 2- Mtbr.com but having re-read the post this wasn't using a DT350 hub at all, only the DT Swiss end caps fitted to Specialized wheels.

Maybe he was running only 10 speed on that hub but in my opinion that's not ideal. What I can say is that the Novatec hub can be had for less than £100 with the 135mm thru axle and, well, it's solid. I know they're not the best, or the most expensive, but they're very light. If I had a lighter rear cassette that would save a fair bit of weight too but due to the mod I'll be sticking to a cassette that can stand up to a bit more wear so I don't have to replace it so soon.

I'll be certain that given a bit more uptake on this 135mm rear wheel spacing there'll be hub manufacturers that'll proclaim their new hubs to be compatible with SCS. Everyone's keeping quiet about it now though....very strange.

Wish I could help further but I gave up with that hub combo. If you do find a solution post it up here though as it'll help others.
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I'll be certain that given a bit more uptake on this 135mm rear wheel spacing there'll be hub manufacturers that'll proclaim their new hubs to be compatible with SCS. Everyone's keeping quiet about it now though....very strange.
Yes, VERY strange. It's the only thing keeping me from buying a new bike, really. Well, I want to see when the next Roubaix update is - and see if that fork thing they got a patent for is any good. But being able to do 32 spoke wheels is a must for me, and I'd love to be able to use Chris King hubs.
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Yes, I saw that thread earlier. He converted a QR Specialized SCS wheel to 12 mm thru axle using the DT Swiss end caps. I will post my "hack" for this SCS issue as soon as I have found it.
2700 mile race is indeed impressive!

I'm quite hopeful that other hub manufacturers will adapt to the SCS system (or another 135 OLD mm hub with a road chainline). 142 OLD mm rear hubs can create heel rub on bikes with shorter chainstays (i.e. road bikes). Why I think this is that if disc brakes really are to come big on the pro cycling circus the bikes must be as "agile and twitchy" as today and that requires among things short chainstays. A long cx-like chainstay will result in a longer wheelbase. The pro cycling circus need one common disc brake axle standard so that the neutral service cars (Mavic) can provide a replacement wheel to any cyclist in the peloton regardless of team and bike brand. I'm confident that the axle will be a thru axle thanks to its consistent disc alignment.
The thing is just how long time it will take for the big boys in the industry to agree on a common standard...
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Found this interesting to read with a lot of what's being discussed in this thread: 2016 Specialized SCS 135mm disc brake thru axle design explanation & development story
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting the link. Even the chainline issue was nicely explained here Tech Breakdown: How 135mm Rear Hub Spacing Affects Road Bike Chainline & Shifting
Right now I'm thinking of doing the cassette spider milling thing. I don't wear down my cassettes that fast anyway. Still undecided though...

Or I could just use the Crux non-SCS 12x135 hanger and hope that the chainline issue isn't that bad. As I understand it, it's when one use the small ring combined with the smaller cogs.
"Cotes says a non-SCS thru axle derailleur hanger is coming in November that’ll allow you to run normal 12x135mm thru axle hubs as opposed to 135mm SCS. The part will be free to all riders who purchased a 2016 Crux bike or frameset."
The hanger looks like the Diverge hanger. Hopefully it's the same hanger. [edit] The 2016 Crux and 2016 Diverge has the same hanger (confirmed by Specialized)

[edit] The 2016 Crux and 2016 Diverge has the same hanger (confirmed by Specialized) This means that it is possible to run the Diverge as non-SCS with the 12x135 thru axle. Not endorsed by Specialized due to the chainline issue, but I'd say that it's the first thing to try before going down to the lathe for some milling of cassette spider.

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Found this interesting to read with a lot of what's being discussed in this thread: 2016 Specialized SCS 135mm disc brake thru axle design explanation & development story

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DT Swiss has front hub end caps to accomodate the 12x100 mm front fork on the Diverge (and the other carbon thru axle 2016 Specialized road bikes)
They are HWGXXX00S7000S for 240s fifteen and HWGXXX00S6885S for the 350 hub. Why they are different I don't know. Seems to be ready for order at https://whizz-wheels.de/shop/en

To convert the DT Swiss rear hubs from 12x142 to 12x135 use the HWGXXX0002218S end cap set. If you have an older hub version with a smaller axle use the HWYXXX0001287S which also includes the larger hub axle to fit the 12 mm thru axle.

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So finally, Hope have stepped up and now offer this ..

SCS ? SP24 Rear Hub/Wheel | Hope Tech | Made in Barnoldswick, England

a 32h J-bend version to be released in Jan 2016 allegedly.
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