OP's position is diametrically opposed to common sense. Either riding at the same time or at different times the elapsed time method is useless for comparison, because there is no way to guarantee everyone catches the same lights, sees the same traffic, spends the same amount of time at the rest stop. There is no way to fairly compare two riders' performance using total elapsed time. Moving time is not at all perfect, but it is much better. At least you are comparing riders' performance without random disturbances that may affect some, but not others.

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Which is exactly why average speed as a benchmark is only worthwhile over a specific segment when using it to gauge performance against others or yourself. Just like, basically, everyone in this thread has been saying from the beginning.

-Industry standard for average speed calculations is based of Moving Time

-To compare yourself against others you MUST use the same Standard of Measure (regardless of if you think it is the best measure)

-Comparing average speed is only meaningful over the exact same segment (and even then it is flawed due to variables)

...and as has been stated you are not likely to get a better result stopping and starting in an attempt to go harder with full rest periods between. It is inefficient and will wear you down, but you're welcome to try to 'game the system' if you want. Other than Strava KOMs you will only be giving yourself bad data so have at it.

It puts a bad taste in my mouth to say it but.... I agree with [MENTION=183557]rpenmanparker[/MENTION].

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Speed isn't a very good benchmark just due to outside variables. Most of my fastest times over my main course I ride are because I have a wheel to draft, a tailwind, or the lights behave. Any time stopped is a negative, no matter how winded you are (unless you aren't very fit).

Well get your data together and draft a letter for Strava, Map My Ride, Endomond, Cat Eye, Garmin, et al...

What's that Humphrey Bogart says to Claude Rains at the end of "Casablanca"? Or do I presume too much? LOL

Why don't you shut everyone up and post your average speed? Moving and elapsed would be great. Thanks.

Oh, goodie. E-wang sites that make money off cat 6 MUP racers with excess ego who argue over the nuances of which average speed is best to compare e-wangs and whether or not waving is a good idea.

If you really want to compete, get a license, pin on a number, and COMPETE.

I see. These sites are the only place where you would be comparing average times to other users. So you're not arguing for everyone to move from Moving Time Average to Elapsed Time Averages, you're just arguing.

In other words you're flapping your 'e-wang' around trying to hit someone with it.

I'd be more accurate to state that I find the argument over which flavor of average speed is more correct to be risible and would be more appropriately conducted like this:


Again, average speed is something YOU have been arguing over. I'm just dropping in for amusement value.

It's early yet, but this thread shows promise as a candidate for the 41 Hall of Fame.

You could start another thread. You might want to call it "The True Average Speed Pissing Contest", and add a note that fudging and manipulation of data is welcome and encouraged..:p

Yes, I assumed you were a troll since your argument was idiotic. Just like I assume the OP is a troll. I'm just throwing troll food out because it's funner than doing my actual work at the office. Plus I'm right.

Yep, my argument is idiotic. And you're right.

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So, when you record your average speed for any ride, do you also record the barometric pressure and humidity? Or are you arguing over the nuances of measuring average speed while ignoring something that can cause air drag to vary by up to 10% or so?

Did you know that?

Why am I assuming the answer is a resounding, "NO!"

:rolleyes:

It has potential but let's not jinx it.