Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Who here rides a new steel road bike?

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Who here rides a new steel road bike?

Old 02-03-15, 08:14 AM
  #126  
amazinmets73
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 261
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It's a perfectly reasonable question
amazinmets73 is offline  
Old 02-03-15, 10:04 AM
  #127  
amazinmets73
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 261
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rms13 View Post
I can't afford a new steel bike. I have to settle for my new carbon and vintage steel.
New steel can be found for perfectly reasonable prices unless you insist upon a custom build.
amazinmets73 is offline  
Old 02-03-15, 10:55 AM
  #128  
vinfix
Steel80's
 
vinfix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 629

Bikes: Breezer Venturi, Breezer Lightning Pro, Schwinn Peloton

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 5 Posts
The choices for new steel complete bikes are pretty limited. At the very few shops I've seen that have them, they sit for a long time. I did a lot of shopping last summer, tried a lot of carbon and a few alum, and was reminded why you can't generalize about ride quality and handling as a function of material. I was about to give up and go carbon, until I found a Breezer Venturi close-out online, and I love it. Very responsive and stiff, but also comfortable and has "road feel".
vinfix is offline  
Old 02-03-15, 12:47 PM
  #129  
rms13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,517
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 276 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by amazinmets73 View Post
New steel can be found for perfectly reasonable prices unless you insist upon a custom build.
Reasonable is a relative term. $1000+ for a new frame is not reasonable for my budget. And I'm not even sure where you get a nice complete steel bike these days. Jamis Quest Elite with 631 frame and 105 at $1749 seems overpriced when I can find a nice used 853 equivalent frame for under $500 and build up a complete bike with new 5800 for under $1200 and have a much better bike.

But if I did have $8500 I sure would love a 13.5 lb steel bike!
The lightest custom racing bicycles | Lighter than carbon fiber | The Steel Rodriguez Outlaw
rms13 is offline  
Old 02-03-15, 01:15 PM
  #130  
rpenmanparker 
Senior Member
 
rpenmanparker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 28,682

Bikes: 1990 Romic Reynolds 531 custom build, Merlin Works CR Ti custom build, super light Workswell 066 custom build

Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6554 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 51 Times in 33 Posts
Originally Posted by rms13 View Post
Reasonable is a relative term. $1000+ for a new frame is not reasonable for my budget. And I'm not even sure where you get a nice complete steel bike these days. Jamis Quest Elite with 631 frame and 105 at $1749 seems overpriced when I can find a nice used 853 equivalent frame for under $500 and build up a complete bike with new 5800 for under $1200 and have a much better bike.

But if I did have $8500 I sure would love a 13.5 lb steel bike!
The lightest custom racing bicycles | Lighter than carbon fiber | The Steel Rodriguez Outlaw
Is that used frame for $500 in mint cosmetic condition? The paint job is an important consideration to many folks. And, by the way, repaints tend to cost about $500 all in, which is just coincidentally the difference between the new and used frame prices you are quoting.
__________________
Robert

Originally Posted by LAJ View Post
No matter where I go, here I am...
rpenmanparker is offline  
Old 02-03-15, 01:28 PM
  #131  
RJM
I'm doing it wrong.
 
RJM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,875

Bikes: Rivendell Appaloosa, Rivendell Frank Jones Sr., Trek Fuel EX9, Kona Jake the Snake CR, Niner Sir9

Mentioned: 80 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8738 Post(s)
Liked 1,930 Times in 1,160 Posts
Comparing a used bike to a new bike's cost is comparing apples to oranges.
RJM is offline  
Old 02-03-15, 01:45 PM
  #132  
rms13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,517
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 276 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Is that used frame for $500 in mint cosmetic condition? The paint job is an important consideration to many folks. And, by the way, repaints tend to cost about $500 all in, which is just coincidentally the difference between the new and used frame prices you are quoting.
Understood. But I'm one of those people that doesn't see the point in buying a new bike or new car anymore. It's much easier to accept the first scratch when it's already there when you buy it. And as RJM said, used/new is apples and oranges. But if I could ever afford that Outlaw bike I would be all over it
rms13 is offline  
Old 02-03-15, 02:01 PM
  #133  
rpenmanparker 
Senior Member
 
rpenmanparker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 28,682

Bikes: 1990 Romic Reynolds 531 custom build, Merlin Works CR Ti custom build, super light Workswell 066 custom build

Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6554 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 51 Times in 33 Posts
Originally Posted by RJM View Post
Comparing a used bike to a new bike's cost is comparing apples to oranges.
That's my point.
__________________
Robert

Originally Posted by LAJ View Post
No matter where I go, here I am...
rpenmanparker is offline  
Old 02-03-15, 02:16 PM
  #134  
amazinmets73
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 261
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by RJM View Post
Comparing a used bike to a new bike's cost is comparing apples to oranges.
Only the frame is used, and steel frames are notorious for their longevity. The wear items are all new.
amazinmets73 is offline  
Old 02-03-15, 02:47 PM
  #135  
RJM
I'm doing it wrong.
 
RJM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,875

Bikes: Rivendell Appaloosa, Rivendell Frank Jones Sr., Trek Fuel EX9, Kona Jake the Snake CR, Niner Sir9

Mentioned: 80 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8738 Post(s)
Liked 1,930 Times in 1,160 Posts
It's still an apples to oranges comparison. New is new, used is used. There are real-life differences. For one, what rpenmanparker says is true....is the paint on that used frame pristine? Probably not. But also, how is the internal rust issue you can't see? How well does the frame actually fit you? What about frame spacing of the rear wheel? Bent fork? Warranty?

I've gone the used frame routes and still have great bikes that started as used framesets....nothing wrong with it. It's a fine way to save money on a build provided you get the right frame for you and it doesn't have issues. But they still aren't a new bike, so comparison to a new bike cost (which will most probably always be higher for a lot of reasons) isn't really valid in this argument.
RJM is offline  
Old 02-04-15, 06:27 AM
  #136  
chaadster
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 10,700

Bikes: '15 Kinesis Racelight 4S, '76 Motebecane Gran Jubilée, '17 Dedacciai Gladiatore2, '12 Breezer Venturi, '09 Dahon Mariner, '12 Mercier Nano, '95 DeKerf Team SL, '19 Tern Rally, ‘21 Breezer Doppler Cafe+, ‘19 T Lab X3

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1690 Post(s)
Liked 719 Times in 448 Posts
Originally Posted by vinfix View Post
I was about to give up and go carbon, until I found a Breezer Venturi close-out online, and I love it. Very responsive and stiff, but also comfortable and has "road feel".
The Breezer Venturi really is the reference bike for modern steel, in my opinion, yet it is largely unknown.

Putting boutique, custom frames aside (because sky is always the limit there), I don't think any other regular production steel frameset (excepting the new Lemond Washoe perhaps) has as many modern treatments, features, and characteristics as the Venturi does.

I'm talking from the integrated headset, through the hydroformed tubes, to the BB90 bottom bracket, to the post-weld heat treating, to the tight and aggressive geometry... it simply and clearly stands apart from the field, which are largely throwback, retro-inspired frames that really do offer little, other than fancy paint, over the original frames of 30-40 years ago which they're aping. I guess if one's an aging Gen Xer or neo-hipster with bad knees, a new steel Raleigh could be considered a Lifestyle bike!

The options in the truly high performance, modern, steel, race-grade production bike category are very slim, indeed. The only bike to approach the Venturi, again excepting the Washoe which just came out and about which I know nothing, is the Ritchey Road Logic, however that really impresses me as just as much modern as throw-back, with features like the small diameter round tubes and classic geometry mated to a machined head tube and carbon post friendly seatpost clamp design.

But when it comes to defining the elements of "modern," and checking off the boxes of who has what, I don't know of any bike with more modernity than the Breezer.
chaadster is offline  
Old 06-17-15, 07:23 PM
  #137  
MrB67
Member
 
MrB67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: San Antonio TX
Posts: 40

Bikes: 2014 Cinelli Experience, 1995 Carrera Podium, 1984 Kuwahara Pulsar, 1982 Murray MTN. Bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I just got a 2013 Breezer Venturi frame-set! Looking forward to building it. I've spent the last 2 months googling all the info I could find on the bike, before making the purchase. Tons of posts on this bike, all reviews are great, so I can't wait to get on it for my first ride.

Last edited by MrB67; 06-17-15 at 07:28 PM.
MrB67 is offline  
Old 06-17-15, 08:18 PM
  #138  
rms13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,517
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 276 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 2 Posts
I just ordered a Soma Smoothie frame to build with 5800. I was seriously considering a Wraith Hustle because it is such an incredible package and value for what you get from them but the geometry on the limited 4 sizes they offer scared me as well as wait time since I need immediate gratification. That and the fact that having a steel frame barely over 3 lbs would make me feel guilty about not putting DA on it and then I would open a can of worms. I think the 4 lb Smoothie frame with 5800 will be good enough for my commuting, solo and club rides
rms13 is offline  
Old 06-17-15, 09:04 PM
  #139  
chaadster
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 10,700

Bikes: '15 Kinesis Racelight 4S, '76 Motebecane Gran Jubilée, '17 Dedacciai Gladiatore2, '12 Breezer Venturi, '09 Dahon Mariner, '12 Mercier Nano, '95 DeKerf Team SL, '19 Tern Rally, ‘21 Breezer Doppler Cafe+, ‘19 T Lab X3

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1690 Post(s)
Liked 719 Times in 448 Posts
Originally Posted by MrB67 View Post
I just got a 2013 Breezer Venturi frame-set! Looking forward to building it. I've spent the last 2 months googling all the info I could find on the bike, before making the purchase. Tons of posts on this bike, all reviews are great, so I can't wait to get on it for my first ride.
Keep us posted!

I'm surprised you found a satisfying number of reviews; I thought there was virtually nothing on the bike in terms of professional reviews or owner feedback, but I haven't looked in awhile.

It's a gorgeous bike that handles awesomely...I'm sure you'll love it!
chaadster is offline  
Old 06-21-15, 06:03 PM
  #140  
Lazyass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Minas Ithil
Posts: 9,027
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2307 Post(s)
Liked 425 Times in 268 Posts
I ended up on the Planet X website to look at their frames and I was surprised to see they have some Viner's and Holdsworth's for very decent prices.

Road Bike Frames | Planet X USA

I really like this Viner with oversize tubing for $1029. The steel fork is 1 1/8 threadless.

Lazyass is offline  
Old 06-21-15, 08:23 PM
  #141  
BillyD
Administrator
 
BillyD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Posts: 29,497

Bikes: Merlin Cyrene '04; Bridgestone RB-1 '92

Mentioned: 307 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9103 Post(s)
Liked 2,789 Times in 1,581 Posts
Hot.
__________________
See, this is why we can't have nice things. - - smarkinson
Where else but the internet can a bunch of cyclists go and be the tough guy? - - jdon
BillyD is offline  
Old 06-22-15, 03:17 AM
  #142  
alexaschwanden
Bike rider
 
alexaschwanden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: san jose
Posts: 3,167

Bikes: 2017 Raleigh Clubman

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I ride a 4130 cro-moly steel Surly Cross check, over 1400 miles in three weeks. It rides really well.
alexaschwanden is offline  
Old 06-22-15, 03:45 AM
  #143  
531Aussie
Aluminium Crusader :-)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 10,048
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Jee, that Viner looks like a total bargain if it the description is accurate

VINER RECORD Steel Road Frameset | Planet X

fillet brazed steel frame built from Richard Sach's and Dario Pegoretti oversized PegoRichie tubing, also known as Spitirt for lugs and
531Aussie is offline  
Old 06-22-15, 04:14 AM
  #144  
wvridgerider 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Wild Wonderful West Virginia
Posts: 505

Bikes: Gunnar Crosshairs, Surly Karate Monkey, Specialized Fuze, Bianchi Volpe, too many others and a lot of broken frame

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
I gave 1100 for my Gunnar frame and fork with the paint I wanted, dark blue pearl. I like that it is made in the USA. The bike has a great ride and suits my needs. I would have probably gotten something cheaper but had a few extra dollars.
wvridgerider is offline  
Old 06-22-15, 04:26 AM
  #145  
Lazyass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Minas Ithil
Posts: 9,027
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2307 Post(s)
Liked 425 Times in 268 Posts
Originally Posted by 531Aussie View Post
Jee, that Viner looks like a total bargain if it the description is accurate

VINER RECORD Steel Road Frameset | Planet X

fillet brazed steel frame built from Richard Sach's and Dario Pegoretti oversized PegoRichie tubing, also known as Spitirt for lugs and
With your screenname you should get this Holdsworth for $825. That's an outstanding seal, looks like an 80's NOS frameset.

Lazyass is offline  
Old 06-22-15, 04:38 AM
  #146  
531Aussie
Aluminium Crusader :-)
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 10,048
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
^ Hmm, not bad, but a bit too retro for my taste.

I recently busted my faithful old Raleigh 531c during some "aggressive" riding




Last edited by 531Aussie; 06-22-15 at 04:53 AM.
531Aussie is offline  
Old 06-22-15, 09:04 AM
  #147  
Jarrett2
Senior Member
 
Jarrett2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: DFW
Posts: 4,126

Bikes: Steel 1x's

Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 631 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I ride newish steel bikes now.

I was a carbon proponent just a few months back, then I goofed up and bought a cheap Nashbar steel touring bike. And I was shocked to find that I liked the ride of my $600 steel touring bike more than my $2500 carbon fiber bike, which also happened to be the most comfortable carbon fiber bike out of all of the CF bikes I've test ridden.

So, that made me start wondering if that was a fluke. I sent the Nashbar bike back and traded my aluminum Specialized (which was terrible on rough roads) in on a 2015 Specialized AWOL touring bike which is also made out of Reynolds 520. And sure enough, it had similar, maybe better ride characteristics of the cheap Nashbar bike. I enjoyed the feel of riding it more than my expensive CF bike. But it weighs 27 lbs, so while great for touring with the long geometry, not super fun to ride on club rides compared to the 19lb CF bike.

So, that got me thinking again. What if there was a steel bike out there that weighed the same or less as my CF bike but had the ride quality of these other steel frames? So I started looking around and found that lightweight steel bikes are pretty pricey as well, so I kind of blew it off. Then I noticed a 2009 Jamis 30th Anniversary Eclipse on Craigslist in my size. The owner was also a big Clyde like me. It's a Reynolds 853 steel frame. So I went and test rode it just to see if it felt like the less expensive, heavier steel bikes and damn, it did. So I bought it on the spot for $800.

The Eclipse had SRAM Rival/Force stuff on it (which it turns out I like better than my Shimano 5700 stuff) so I threw some new tires and brakes on the Eclipse and it had became my main rider now. I weighed it without the pedals and it was 18.6 lbs. Roughly the same weight as my Roubaix, maybe a fuzz lighter. The CF Roubaix has just been hanging on the wall ever since and I'm seriously thinking about throwing it up on Craigslist this week.

To all of you newer AL/CF riders out there that were like me and haven't ridden modern steel and wonder what the fuss is about, don't ride one! It will mess stuff up
Jarrett2 is offline  
Old 06-22-15, 09:21 AM
  #148  
Lazyass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Minas Ithil
Posts: 9,027
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2307 Post(s)
Liked 425 Times in 268 Posts
Originally Posted by Jarrett2 View Post
Then I noticed a 2009 Jamis 30th Anniversary Eclipse on Craigslist in my size. The owner was also a big Clyde like me. It's a Reynolds 853 steel frame. So I went and test rode it just to see if it felt like the less expensive, heavier steel bikes and damn, it did. So I bought it on the spot for $800.
I had a LeMond Zurich with 853. Very sweet ride.
Lazyass is offline  
Old 06-22-15, 10:17 AM
  #149  
icepick_trotsky 
Aspiring curmudgeon
 
icepick_trotsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Saint Louis
Posts: 2,675

Bikes: Guerciotti, Serotta, Gaulzetti

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 107 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 4 Posts
@RobbieTunes has a couple of Wraiths he seems to love. At $1300, that's a hell of a deal for a 3.1 lb steel frame.

__________________
"Party on comrades" -- Lenin, probably
icepick_trotsky is offline  
Old 06-25-15, 02:10 PM
  #150  
rms13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,517
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 276 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky View Post
@RobbieTunes has a couple of Wraiths he seems to love. At $1300, that's a hell of a deal for a 3.1 lb steel frame.


I was very tempted but the limited sizes (4 in total) with wonky geometry scared me off. In the end I got this and just finished the build today and took for a test ride. Ride is as smooth as the name


Attached Images
File Type: jpg
IMG_20150625_120638054.jpg (92.4 KB, 42 views)
rms13 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
BrazAd
Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg)
75
05-27-16 09:15 AM
Mr.Peloton
General Cycling Discussion
19
09-28-15 10:33 PM
mooch
Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
5
03-01-15 08:50 PM
davemd1820
Long Distance Competition/Ultracycling, Randonneuring and Endurance Cycling
85
04-02-11 08:47 PM
dd74
Road Cycling
8
02-05-10 07:57 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.