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Garmin software - so lame

Old 09-30-14, 08:06 AM
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Garmin software - so lame

Just venting here.

Got the new iPhone 6, and one of the connections to the Garmin 1000 bluetooth stopped working... turns out the Garmin software is the problem.

Got the new Garmin 1000 software (v2.50) update today, specifically to fix this problem... guess what, it didn't.

Garmin should just give up on software. Clearly they sucked at it.

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first world problems.

get some coffee, have a sammich....drink a beer. It's all good.
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Originally Posted by RJM View Post
first world problems.

get some coffee, have a sammich....drink a beer. It's all good.
It is, but a problem nevertheless.
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That reminds me of this:

#t=83
Especially the airplane part
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A couple things...

When Apple updated it's software to iOS 8, a lot of apps broke, including mine. But, Apple gives developers beta versions of their new software so we have time to get our apps ready for the new version. So Garmin had time to make changes.

That being said, sometimes Apple will remove or change features in such a way that will make an app incompatible, no matter what you change. In that case a total rewrite is in order.

So it's not just Garmin to blame. It's not easy to write software and keep up with all the changes on all the platforms. Just report to them (Garmin); I'm users others have as well. They will have a fix out soon.
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Old 09-30-14, 11:16 AM
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Garmin does make avionics. One would hope they're better at that.
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Old 09-30-14, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NickA View Post
A couple things...

When Apple updated it's software to iOS 8, a lot of apps broke, including mine. But, Apple gives developers beta versions of their new software so we have time to get our apps ready for the new version. So Garmin had time to make changes.

That being said, sometimes Apple will remove or change features in such a way that will make an app incompatible, no matter what you change. In that case a total rewrite is in order.

So it's not just Garmin to blame. It's not easy to write software and keep up with all the changes on all the platforms. Just report to them (Garmin); I'm users others have as well. They will have a fix out soon.
I am software engineer for over 25 years and have done my share of iOS and Android app and system development. It doesn't take much to see that Garmin is not exactly a great application software company. Maybe they are good at embedded software for control systems, e.g. aviation or marine navigation systems, but for desktop or consumer device apps, they are pretty much stuck in the last century. For example, with all the hardware goodies in the Garmin Edge 1000, if what they released is the best they can come with, that's just plain bad; and on top of that, almost a year after showing the demo, they still haven't released the land-scape mode display. From my experience, this tells me their software architecture was poorly designed, and it has severely limited their ability to add new features or fix bugs.
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I am software engineer for over 25 years and have done my share of iOS and Android app and system development.
Maybe you could fix it for them? Build an app that solves Garmin's shortcomings and make a mint?
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Originally Posted by Jarrett2 View Post
Maybe you could fix it for them? Build an app that solves Garmin's shortcomings and make a mint?
I know this is in jest; but I think Garmin really needs some help from someone with more consumer application experience, not the same old folks who designed all those GPS units. May be they need to acquire a company or something.
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I know this is in jest; but I think Garmin really needs some help from someone with more consumer application experience, not the same old folks who designed all those GPS units. May be they need to acquire a company or something.
Maybe they'll buy Strava.
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I just entered the world of cycling GPS with a 510. It seems like there is so much possibility that is not being utilized.
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Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
Maybe they'll buy Strava.
That would not be a bad idea.... Strava is definitely setting itself up for an acquisition.
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Garmin is pretty notoriously bad at software updates. About 6 mo ago, they basically broke most of the 510's for 2-3 weeks after a software update. Basically, any Garmin product that's been on the market <1 year is going to have flaky software updates.

Stuff does eventually get fixed, but its not fast. As bad is Garmin's software support is, for the most part once things stabilize, it just works. And they're basically light-years ahead of anyone else, so its not like there's better options. Maybe Magellan will change things, but I'm not really optimistic.
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Old 09-30-14, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
Maybe they'll buy Strava.
And move its development to Olathe, KS like Garmin Connect (originally in San Francisco).

That should work well,like Garmin firmware which only sometimes locks solid or forgets about sensors until the next reboot.

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Originally Posted by RJM View Post
first world problems.

get some coffee, have a sammich....drink a beer. It's all good.
First world response.
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Bluetooth is flaky on my 510 with both Android and iOS. A lot of times I have to reboot the 510 after a ride to download a ride over bluetooth.
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Posted this in the Gadgets forum, but figured I might get some info here too. Every time I try to export from Garmin Connect, I get this message;
[h=1]HTTP Status 403 - You do not have sufficient privileges to view the activity with id 603543487.[/h][HR][/HR]type Status report
message You do not have sufficient privileges to view the activity with id 603543487.
description Access to the specified resource (You do not have sufficient privileges to view the activity with id 603543487.) has been forbidden.
And can't export. And with the Garmin plugin for Strava not working, I can't get any of my rides or runs onto Strava. And it's annoying as all get out.

Anyone know if I'm doing anything wrong? Any suggestions on what else to do?
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Originally Posted by dalava View Post
It doesn't take much to see that Garmin is not exactly a great application software company. Maybe they are good at embedded software for control systems, e.g. aviation or marine navigation systems, but for desktop or consumer device apps, they are pretty much stuck in the last century.
I don't know about aviation but their marine navigation are equally bad, if not worse, than their consumer devices. With their marine app, they come out with new releases to fix problems that create several more. It's like no one does internal testing and the developers just do what they want without a corporate methodology. Documentation is just as bad. User manuals are way off from what the software actually does.
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Originally Posted by RJM View Post
first world problems.

get some coffee, have a sammich....drink a beer. It's all good.
I like your thinking.
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Originally Posted by Leinster View Post
Posted this in the Gadgets forum, but figured I might get some info here too. Every time I try to export from Garmin Connect, I get this message;


And can't export. And with the Garmin plugin for Strava not working, I can't get any of my rides or runs onto Strava. And it's annoying as all get out.

Anyone know if I'm doing anything wrong? Any suggestions on what else to do?
Not sure they are related, the export from Garmin website and the Garmin plug-in to upload to Strava. I would think not.

HTTP 403 is a specific error from a web server, which means you, or the client device that originated the HTTP request (likely a GET request) are denied access to the file(s) on the Garmin's web server. There are some subcode, e.g. 403.2 that may give you more insight into what's exactly being denied, but there is nothing really YOU could do. You should contact tech support for Garmin Connect. My guess is that during setup, somehow your account's access rights weren't initialized correctly.

As fas as the plug-in goes, what browser are you running on, and what platform (Win/Mac)? Did you try the uninstall/reinstall routine?
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Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
I don't know about aviation but their marine navigation are equally bad, if not worse, than their consumer devices. With their marine app, they come out with new releases to fix problems that create several more. It's like no one does internal testing and the developers just do what they want without a corporate methodology. Documentation is just as bad. User manuals are way off from what the software actually does.
Totally concur about their documentation. All the Edge device documents are useless if you want to find something, anything, that's not already obvious.
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wish they would just let it sync with map my fitness and use their interface instead of having to manually import it.
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... It's like no one does internal testing and the developers just do what they want without a corporate methodology. Documentation is just as bad. User manuals are way off from what the software actually does.
Totally. Not just methodical testing and verification, but you wonder if anybody there actually tries and uses this stuff before foisting it off on the consumer...
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Totally. Not just methodical testing and verification, but you wonder if anybody there actually tries and uses this stuff before foisting it off on the consumer...
That would cost money. Whereas people seem happy to pay Garmin for the privilege of being beta testers.
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Originally Posted by Leinster View Post
Posted this in the Gadgets forum, but figured I might get some info here too. Every time I try to export from Garmin Connect, I get this message;


And can't export. And with the Garmin plugin for Strava not working, I can't get any of my rides or runs onto Strava. And it's annoying as all get out.

Anyone know if I'm doing anything wrong? Any suggestions on what else to do?
My Garmin plugins are working great. I finish my ride and the 510 automatically uploads thw ride to Garmin Connect, which automaticaly syncs with Strava, so by the time I've put up my bike and gotten my recovery beer or coffee, I can pull up Strava on my phone and see whether my ride was as epic as I thought it was.

Occasionally the bluetooth syncing gets a little buggy and I have to manually upload, but it's a minor issue and one I have with ALL my bluetooth connections. Bluetooth to my car, printer, speakers, etc just has to be reset from time to time.
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