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How much does a tt bike save?

Old 02-09-15, 03:18 PM
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I've been getting into this myself, and I can tell you that aero definitely works. However it is basically a bunch of little things together, not just the bike frame. Your position, your clothing, and other loose ends make a lot of smaller differences which all add up. The one big thing that I learned though, which is more important that all of that in my opinion, is learning how to manage your effort. That's where I've found the most improvement in my TT times.
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Originally Posted by K.Katso
I've been getting into this myself, and I can tell you that aero definitely works. However it is basically a bunch of little things together, not just the bike frame. Your position, your clothing, and other loose ends make a lot of smaller differences which all add up. The one big thing that I learned though, which is more important that all of that in my opinion, is learning how to manage your effort. That's where I've found the most improvement in my TT times.
For being my first TT I think I managed to pace myself well. 265watts for the first 10 miles then up to 274watts for the following 10 miles. Having had experience pushing an hour in the trainer at 265 I knew that was going to be my goal in terns if pacing,
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Power on the trainer and power outside are two different things. It gives you a guideline, but most people can push harder outside and with a number on their back than they can in the basement. Also, position on the bike makes a big difference. It's hard to push max power in the drops for an hour vs on the tops.
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Originally Posted by RChung
And, to address the OP's question directly, we've measured a difference between a guy in the same TT position with the same clothing and the same wheels/tires on a pretty aero road bike frame and a dedicated TT bike frame. That is, we held his position and equipment constant, including aero bars, and only changed the frame he was on. The difference in CdA was about .02 m^2 (roughly equivalent to 2 sec/km at TT speeds). This was backed up later when he repeated a 40 km TT on the same course with the new bike. We have power meter and weather data for both TTs. He was about 2 minutes faster overall, but he put out slightly more power the second time and the wind was slightly more favorable on one of the legs. When adjusting for power and wind, we estimate that the frame was worth about 75 seconds of the 2 minutes, or just about what we had estimated.
Really interesting! Can you comment on how easy it is to replicate the TT position on a normal road bike with aero bars? Doesn't the TT frame usually have a much shorter headtube leading to a much more agressive position than is possible on a properly fitted (for road riding) road bike? This is exactly my dilemma, I have set up my Ridley Noah as a TT bike, the only question is if my position will be agressive enough since I only have 6cm of drop between the seat and handlebars. Any idea which is most important? Dropping the front end or keeping a flat back.
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Old 02-10-15, 01:11 AM
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Fortunately the stack and reach for the bikes were similar, and he had been using a forward seat post, so he could replicate his "touchpoints" (saddle, bars, and pedals) relative to the BB. He swapped over the base bar, extensions, wheels, saddle, etc. It would have been more difficult if the stack and reach were way different.
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