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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
(Post 17657380)
Don't mistake physics for personal preferences. Heavier riders can play with their tires too, and deflated tires don't actually increase traction... it softens the suspension. Big difference. Traction is governed by normal force and surface material. Full stop.
A bigger rider is less affected by surface irregularities; that is simply a question of increased momentum. A bigger rider certainly can decrease tire pressure; they just have to go to larger tires. |
Love it...
So now here is the second thought. If you make your ride in a loop and return to the same point how much of your ride is either up or down hill? |
Elevation gain/loss will be same, but a early short 25%section and a long gradual downhill I suspect would be faster going down the gradual. Time wise for the loop I mean. I dunno..
If there are no apexes in this story then it's no fun, so there. |
I'm sure tire choice would make a difference as well
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Originally Posted by zandoval
(Post 17657795)
So now here is the second thought. If you make your ride in a loop and return to the same point how much of your ride is either up or down hill?
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The good thing about being a product of the West Virginia school system is I don't understand a word of this. I can't get upset or argue with anyone.
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Originally Posted by StanSeven
(Post 17658203)
The good thing about being a product of the West Virginia school system is I don't understand a word of this. I can't get upset or argue with anyone.
http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/i/spin/ima...3&op_sharpen=1 |
If it was pig poop, would you, could you, corner faster?
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I have an orange bike....it goes down faster. That's a proven fact.
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Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan
(Post 17658336)
i've found that cornering on a descent with a Sears & Roebuck wheelbarrow full of horse manure works best when running about 15PSI in the tire. :lol:
http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/i/spin/ima...3&op_sharpen=1 |
Just a few weeks ago I had to do my Saturday morning ride alone, because my usual friends were busy doing yard work, and when I got to the top of one of my favorite hills (used to be able to call them climbs before San Francisco) and a ...big... guy had arrived at the top some time before. We both started descending together and I had to put my face in my stem bolts peddling at 100 cadence to keep up with him riding down with elbows locked on the tops looking around casually. He had stock alu wheels and I was sporting by Boyd 60s. My jersey fits nicely and his was on its way to a parachute.
I don't need equations to tell me that weight on the descent makes a substantial difference. |
Originally Posted by MikeyBoyAz
(Post 17658888)
Just a few weeks ago I had to do my Saturday morning ride alone, because my usual friends were busy doing yard work, and when I got to the top of one of my favorite hills (used to be able to call them climbs before San Francisco) and a ...big... guy had arrived at the top some time before. We both started descending together and I had to put my face in my stem bolts peddling at 100 cadence to keep up with him riding down with elbows locked on the tops looking around casually. He had stock alu wheels and I was sporting by Boyd 60s. My jersey fits nicely and his was on its way to a parachute.
I don't need equations to tell me that weight on the descent makes a substantial difference. |
Originally Posted by RChung
(Post 17658095)
Depends on Crr.
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Originally Posted by djb
(Post 17659137)
that has happened to me so many times, face in the bolts, elbows in, everything and still spinning away just to keep up with guys just coasting.......but then on climbs heavier folks are sweating buckets and I can talk on the way up, so its a ying yang thing.
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This thread is really going downhill.
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Bicycle Quarterly did wind tunnel tests and at 22 mph going to full aero tuck with no pedaling and the knees tucked into the top tube created a 7 % reduction in drag coefficient. Meaning if your downhill will take you above 22 on coasting alone than don't waste a lot of time and energy spinning a high gear; get small and let mother earth pull you in.
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Originally Posted by MKahrl
(Post 17660201)
Bicycle Quarterly did wind tunnel tests and at 22 mph going to full aero tuck with no pedaling and the knees tucked into the top tube created a 7 % reduction in drag coefficient. Meaning if your downhill will take you above 22 on coasting alone than don't waste a lot of time and energy spinning a high gear; get small and let mother earth pull you in.
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Originally Posted by RChung
(Post 17660377)
This is so wrong it makes my head hurt.
FWIW reducing wind drag by 7% at 22mph is worth about 1 more mph. Someone who can turn his cranks effectively should be able to do better than that. (if he wants) |
Originally Posted by FBinNY
(Post 17660401)
Neither right nor wrong, just a perspective.
FWIW reducing wind drag by 7% at 22mph is worth about 1 more mph. Someone who can turn his cranks effectively should be able to do better than that. (if he wants) Time trialing and optimizing power, it might be a waste to push your speed downhill. But that would imply that you're time trialing with a 22mph top end ... Seems like a full tuck would be worth more than 7% drag. |
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