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Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
06-23-13, 03:51 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

You have just stated that in your opinion neither...

You have just stated that in your opinion neither motorist nor cyclist is allowed to cross the bike-lane stripe. That's an expression of the confusion that I described. Just think it through before...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
06-23-13, 03:01 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

That talk was organized by cyclists and presented...

That talk was organized by cyclists and presented to an audience that consisted of both cyclists and persons interested in cycling. My point was that bike-lane stripes cause confusion in both the...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-21-13, 10:54 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

I have always limited my statements to the...

I have always limited my statements to the conditions applying in the old urban centers, in particular that of Amsterdam, because that is the location that is always so highly praised in America as...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-20-13, 03:50 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

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Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-20-13, 10:04 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Well, yes, I have always understood that Denmark...

Well, yes, I have always understood that Denmark is a largely agricultural nation.
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-19-13, 08:06 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Do you care to provide data on the speed range of...

Do you care to provide data on the speed range of "65 year old Omas on their grocery getters? I think that we would all appreciate real data.

I am not hiding from any data; those who promote the...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-19-13, 07:45 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

You can be ironic if you like. What's wrong with...

You can be ironic if you like. What's wrong with taking measurements of commuting cyclists in my home town? Actually, not quite, but very close. There is no reason to suspect that my presence in a...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-19-13, 03:37 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

I measured the speed of all the cyclists...

I measured the speed of all the cyclists commuting into the aerospace area of Mountain View, California, a situation typical of the polycentered suburb. The road was level, there was no wind. Median...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-19-13, 12:54 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Your recommendation for plain bike paths remote...

Your recommendation for plain bike paths remote from roads sounds reasonable. Indeed, when we first worked out the standards for such bikeways we thought that they would be operated as miniature...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-19-13, 11:30 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

In short, you present accusations without...

In short, you present accusations without providing any foundation for them.
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-19-13, 11:29 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

I have never written that cycling in woonerven is...

I have never written that cycling in woonerven is a large part of Dutch cycling miles. Stop making things up.
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-19-13, 09:59 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

If you will note, when I say that cycling among...

If you will note, when I say that cycling among pedestrians, which is what voonerven provide, is about the most dangerous type of cycling a cyclist encounters, I also say that the cyclist has to slow...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-19-13, 09:28 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Regarding signalling, I recommend obeying the law...

Regarding signalling, I recommend obeying the law as it is stated in California Vehicle Code 22107. This requires signaling "in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement." The...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-18-13, 05:02 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Hagen, you do not state what you believe my...

Hagen, you do not state what you believe my claims to have been regarding these six subjects. To have any credibility, you need to state my claim, as you understand it, and then provide the data to...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-18-13, 03:15 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

I understand from your argument that you, and...

I understand from your argument that you, and those like you, cycle in the disorganized manner that jangles motorists nerves and forces them to slow down to dodge your disorganized movements. It is...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-18-13, 10:26 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Voonerven are certainly anti-motoring facilities....

Voonerven are certainly anti-motoring facilities. But the result is that cyclists are forced to ride in pedestrian space with its disorganized traffic. This is among the most dangerous and...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-17-13, 05:41 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

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Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-15-13, 06:13 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

They may well think that they are making fun of...

They may well think that they are making fun of me, but that shows how parochial they are and shows their lack of interest in working out the characteristics required to make bicycle transportation...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-14-13, 07:48 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Since those who advocate the Dutch system think...

Since those who advocate the Dutch system think that the above questions, such as ""Why is it the dutch persist in using bicycle transportation when the system is so stacked against them?", are the...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-13-13, 11:30 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

It seems to me that Hagen's arguments have the...

It seems to me that Hagen's arguments have the aim of converting the readers to believing that the Dutch or Danish systems are so superior to others, say in the USA, that the USA should convert to...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-13-13, 11:21 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

The Dutch don't find their cycling to be...

The Dutch don't find their cycling to be controversial, or, if there is controversy, it is muted and rare.

The controversial portion of these discussions concerns the portability of the Dutch...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-08-13, 03:53 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

I see that Bek has not tumbled to the fact that...

I see that Bek has not tumbled to the fact that the City of New Amsterdam ceased existence before the invention of the bicycle.
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-08-13, 10:58 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Bek, where is your evidence that there ever was...

Bek, where is your evidence that there ever was any cycling in New Amsterdam?

As I have written before, the population that lives or works in the Manhattan Island area of New York City is the...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-07-13, 02:30 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

London is a very large city. I was born in...

London is a very large city. I was born in Dulwich and, after infancy, grew up in Upper Sydenham, not far from the Crystal Palace, on the far end of which was Norwood, but I cycled daily back over...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-07-13, 12:22 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

As I have already written, London has the...

As I have already written, London has the greatest extent of rail mass transit of any city or urban area in the world. London was the first city to make the transition from walking city to rail mass...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-07-13, 09:47 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

The convenience exists because of the spatial...

The convenience exists because of the spatial relationships between desired activities, so that the desired trips are within the convenient distance for walking and cycling trips. Since the bikeways...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-06-13, 02:47 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

That link does not distinguish between core...

That link does not distinguish between core cities, or old core cities, and much larger areas of suburbs. Certainly, in those widespread areas travel patterns are much more like those in America....
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-05-13, 06:46 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Some people argued at some times that Americans...

Some people argued at some times that Americans were genetically superior because it was the best of Europeans who emigrated to America. However, that argument has never had scientific support.

As...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-05-13, 01:53 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

I repeat the argument that I have been making for...

I repeat the argument that I have been making for a long time. The Dutch cycled a lot because their situation was such that walking and cycling were very useful and suited their low income relative...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-04-13, 05:27 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

I never wrote what you claim I wrote: "WHAAAAAT?...

I never wrote what you claim I wrote: "WHAAAAAT? 20.2 km = 10 miles? Get a grip, man!" What I did write is given in the message of mine which you posted as a quotation: "The average of the averages...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-04-13, 12:23 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

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Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-03-13, 05:51 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

The item posted has no information about the...

The item posted has no information about the commuting distance, and hence is irrelevant to the discussion.
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-03-13, 12:06 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

I did not say that medieval was the only required...

I did not say that medieval was the only required characteristic. The general categories are walking city, rail transit city, and automotive city. Medieval cities are walking cities.
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
04-02-13, 11:18 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

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Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
03-10-13, 05:55 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Genec provides two different claims. He first...

Genec provides two different claims. He first claims that the virulence of the VC vs Bikeway controversy is not caused by the laws that prohibit cycling on the roadway in accordance with the rules of...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
03-10-13, 12:23 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Genec is correct, in a way. American motordom...

Genec is correct, in a way. American motordom (motorists and motoring officials) have set the traffic laws and societal attitudes regarding bicycle traffic since the 1930s. Since the far-to-the-right...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
03-10-13, 11:42 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

American law and society make the VC vs...

American law and society make the VC vs Infrastructure debate is important, because we don't get "well-designed" bikeways (whatever that might be) and law and society require all of us to use the...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
03-05-13, 03:13 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Bek makes clear, through both his rolling...

Bek makes clear, through both his rolling laughter icon and his tone, that he believes, or that he chooses to insinuate, that I have been discussing the Dutch attitude to their traffic system....
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
03-05-13, 01:54 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

The issue under discussion is that raised by the...

The issue under discussion is that raised by the presence of a mandatory-use, slow-speed and additional delay bikeway that runs alongside a roadway which the cyclist could safely use at more nearly...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
03-04-13, 07:22 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

That statement unethically and illogically claims...

That statement unethically and illogically claims a personal defect about a matter completely outside the subject of discussion. The subject of discussion was the existence of bikeways so dangerous...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
03-02-13, 01:35 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

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Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
02-27-13, 12:19 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

You should quit trolling with such ridiculous...

You should quit trolling with such ridiculous bait. Try some reasonable discussion instead.
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
02-26-13, 06:03 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

The problem is not that some facilities require...

The problem is not that some facilities require slow speeds, but that some of those slow-speed facilities are adjacent to prohibited roads where the cyclist is limited only by his own physique. It is...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
12-06-12, 12:45 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Bek's posting illustrates compellingly the...

Bek's posting illustrates compellingly the absurdities into which bicycle advocacy ideology forces its believers. It is correct that there is a policy war about American bicycle transportation, but...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
12-06-12, 12:13 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

There's no denying that the public believes that...

There's no denying that the public believes that bike lanes make cycling much safer. And, therefore, that belief does produce some switching from motor to bicycle transport. You claim that that...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
12-06-12, 12:02 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

The traffic laws of every state either treat...

The traffic laws of every state either treat bicycles as vehicles or treat cyclists as drivers of vehicles. For traffic-law purposes, they are the same.
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
12-06-12, 11:00 AM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

I can well understand that a personal policy of...

I can well understand that a personal policy of deliberate ignorance is most suited to one who attempts to be a spokesman for how American governments and society treat cyclists.
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
12-05-12, 09:45 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

You have written much about Oregon's...

You have written much about Oregon's cyclist-specific traffic laws, saying that they are easy to understand and to obey. However, you have refused to recognize how they operate, or how their...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
12-05-12, 07:35 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

Agent pombero fails to notice the difference...

Agent pombero fails to notice the difference between the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles and the special laws for cyclists alone. The rules of the road for drivers of vehicles provide a...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
12-05-12, 07:09 PM
Replies: 701
Views: 31,249
Posted By John Forester

That argument is plain false, Wsbob. First, it is...

That argument is plain false, Wsbob. First, it is obvious that there is no need at all to have laws of this nature, describing the actions permitted on roadways, bike lanes, bike paths alongside...
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