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Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-27-17, 01:01 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

that's a great example of some funny anomalies. ...

that's a great example of some funny anomalies.

IMO when that happens you should have collected the 40+ and 50+ "win".

i DO realize that people choose certain category and are only eligible to...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-27-17, 12:58 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

amen. preach. agreed. it...

amen.


preach.



agreed. it strikes me that your post may be a more effective attempt than mine to divorce rating objectively an inherently subjective thing from the importance of that thing...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-27-17, 12:39 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

totally! i'm not sure how that is relevant,...

totally!

i'm not sure how that is relevant, though. Nys is no longer a professional rider -- he's a paid ambassador for the sport.

the example above was whether an actual pro (neben in ...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-26-17, 11:41 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

that's the point. at some point you think it is...

that's the point. at some point you think it is silly. someone might thing M43-44 November is the line, someone else might thing M40-44. it's arbitrary and at least somewhat personal.


honestly,...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-26-17, 09:28 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

yep. some are mass start and some are pursuit...

yep. some are mass start and some are pursuit style, even in stage races i've done across the country.

both are interesting to me, and they may demand different tactics on a given day.
...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-26-17, 09:26 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

if you've been around bike racers long enough,...

if you've been around bike racers long enough, they tend to magnify very tiny differences (e.g., the difference between a cat 3 & cat 2 is often very small) in order to seem more important.

if...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-25-17, 09:18 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

of course. it is rare to have a both a large and...

of course. it is rare to have a both a large and deep field; those races are particularly special for a variety of reasons.

i've traveled hours, repeatedly, to race against a handful of people...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-25-17, 07:57 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i think he's probably the only one who could say...

i think he's probably the only one who could say what they mean to him, but i'm not sure that he is the one who could say, objectively, which one is most difficult for a few reasons:
a) he might...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-25-17, 07:46 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i'm not sure anyone was picking on hill climbs. i...

i'm not sure anyone was picking on hill climbs. i know i wasn't. as stated a few posts above, i used the hill climb as an example (i think maybe it had just happened) as part of a larger discussion...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-25-17, 01:48 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

actually, while i do agree with your statement i...

actually, while i do agree with your statement i wasn't thinking along those lines when i made the comment that nslckevin quoted. ("north salt lake city kevin??" :D) this was months ago, and i just...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-25-17, 01:30 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i clicked but didn't see age groups in there. did...

i clicked but didn't see age groups in there. did i miss it? are jerseys awarded for those sub-divisions in the UK?

genuinely curious.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-25-17, 01:29 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

hey nslckevin-- thanks for finding this and...

hey nslckevin--
thanks for finding this and joining the conversation. that conversation happened a while back (months ago?), so i can only assume you were searching for that topic.

did you happen...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-21-17, 11:40 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

the breadth of knowledge of the members of this...

the breadth of knowledge of the members of this forum is impressive!
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-15-17, 07:02 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

most of it is a fight...

most of it is a fight (http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Masters_Doping%2C_Episode_738_P6445542/).
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-15-17, 06:00 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i don't think he was bragging at all. he took...

i don't think he was bragging at all. he took pride in his work, sure, but at the point he was giving details to the NY Times and others he was very much aware what this would do, as it related to...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-15-17, 03:21 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i read a thread on another forum that was...

i read a thread on another forum that was discussing the guy Ygduf knew who recently got suspended for doping.

there's some fighting and some conspiracy stuff, but there was also some info on that...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-15-17, 12:14 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

it's funny you mention that, as i had the same...

it's funny you mention that, as i had the same thought while i typed that word in the first place.

i actually think a whistleblower is a whistleblower, even if they were in on it. this guy was...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-14-17, 01:49 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

like i said above... i personally did...

like i said above...



i personally did not interpret that he was a "hero." certainly he was part of the doping system, but he was also a whistle-blower. it took someone of his stature to be...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-14-17, 02:31 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

well, not really. it's definitely not settled,...

well, not really. it's definitely not settled, but the general consensus is you can't convert type I fibers to type II or vice versa, but one may be able to convert between IIa and IIb (or IIx),...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-14-17, 02:25 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

for real? i thought that haute-route and...

for real?

i thought that haute-route and whole amateur-doping-to-beat-the-dopers was boring, but it picked up a ton of steam (IMO) about 1/3 of the way through and they way the russians beat the...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-13-17, 08:36 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

what power meter? the power meter on the...

what power meter?

the power meter on the kickr is not known for throwing great #s, but many people use a reliable meter to get better data from it.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-13-17, 08:35 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i don't think this can be expressed as a...

i don't think this can be expressed as a statement of fact.

i know people who put out more power on their trainer than outdoors, and some who come far from it.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
10-13-17, 08:34 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

yep--definite bias to it. but to GC's point,...

yep--definite bias to it.

but to GC's point, in theory it is better quality data as it is everything, not self-reported. many people may have poorly performing meters, but we might hope that would...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-24-17, 11:21 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

somehow i missed this. last year i saw that...

somehow i missed this.

last year i saw that there are some certifying bodies (i think 'clean sport' was one of them), but it's hard to find supplements here in the US that actually comply. not...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-12-17, 09:27 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

any particular reason for casein? casein...

any particular reason for casein?

casein (yogurt) is good for me near bedtime, but otherwise i like whey.

have you ever tried to get any *certified* clean supplements? i'd like to but have been...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-12-17, 09:20 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

what stuff do you take? on a related note,...

what stuff do you take?

on a related note, has anyone had any success finding 'certified clean' products?

i considered taking some creating last year during the off-season and found a few...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-12-17, 04:40 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

that's fair. i have taken his claims as neither...

that's fair. i have taken his claims as neither true nor false. i don't have an opinion.

my POV is that we don't, and can't, know his intent, and while USADA does occasionally issue a minimal ban...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-12-17, 04:03 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

sorry--probably should have quoted the whole...

sorry--probably should have quoted the whole thing.

the case has no impact on me either way, but Heathpack's comments illustrate that there is at least one side of the story that we have not heard...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-12-17, 03:47 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

If true, that's a pretty damning statement about...

If true, that's a pretty damning statement about this most recent sanctioned athlete.
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-09-17, 10:35 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

seems like that group represents a notable amount...

seems like that group represents a notable amount of racers in the NY area from what you've described. i've also heard talk of prevalent doping among that contingent from friends who race in florida....
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-09-17, 10:27 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

agreed; USAC could simply do nothing, right? what...

agreed; USAC could simply do nothing, right? what happens with beer league softball?

if you did that would doping in amateur cycling get even worse? i'd guess it would, even if marginally. (we...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-09-17, 10:16 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

a couple folks in this thread said they are...

a couple folks in this thread said they are friends with this guy, but i don't know that any of us have a dog in this fight other than this is another amateur caught for doping. to that end, we're...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-09-17, 09:49 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i'll clarify my point from earlier: you wrote...

i'll clarify my point from earlier:
you wrote (paraphrasing) "i can't be bothered to care, and i don't even take medication, ever, so i wouldn't know to check."

a key point here is that you are...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-08-17, 06:25 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i feel the same way about competitors who are...

i feel the same way about competitors who are doping. i can't control their actions and, fortunately, winning is not the sole point of why i race.

that said, while i'm not saving whey powder...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-08-17, 05:57 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i don't know if anyone is worked up here. i know...

i don't know if anyone is worked up here. i know i'm not.

this is just another masters doper for me. seems to have a legit excuse, but who really knows?

if anything, it sounds like this might...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-08-17, 05:17 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

why are you directing this to me? i'm just...

why are you directing this to me?

i'm just agreeing here; as others said (e.g. mattm), every cheater has the same excuse.



sorry, you'll have to tell me what you think my issue is here. i'm...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-08-17, 04:59 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

hey--you know i respect you, but you trot out the...

hey--you know i respect you, but you trot out the bobby lea example every now and again and are present in all these doping threads.

you're telling me if it is the year you decide to go all-in on...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-08-17, 04:43 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

"many people would think" is not a good enough...

"many people would think" is not a good enough standard for me in this case.

my point is that folks who are traveling across the country to compete at the national-level events, hiring coaches,...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-08-17, 04:18 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i'm not privy to any communication between JS &...

i'm not privy to any communication between JS & USADA. the stuff you mentioned is just hearsay until it's out in the public (emails with his coach, etc.)--and the details of this will not be released...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-08-17, 03:49 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

+1 everyone i know that travels to...

+1

everyone i know that travels to National-level events and thinks they have a chance to win is HYPER aware of testing -- and most of us are paranoid about anything we put in our body. there's...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
09-08-17, 03:26 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i understand that he's a friend, but we really...

i understand that he's a friend, but we really don't know what the circumstances were as this info is not public and his account is only one side.

kayle said he got popped for one thing, right?
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-11-17, 10:00 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i've broken bread with this guy, and he knows how...

i've broken bread with this guy, and he knows how to live right -- regardless of what the scale might say!
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-10-17, 09:20 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i hear you. the hearing is another...

i hear you.

the hearing is another opportunity for justice to be applied unequally.

sometimes when the proverbial 'hands are tied' for punishment you throw a few babies out with the bathwater,...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-10-17, 09:18 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i've seen 4 years. the penalty is usually an...

i've seen 4 years.

the penalty is usually an indicator of how serious the case was against the sanctioned athlete.

we're just reading a snippet here. my guess is that what he was busted for was...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-10-17, 12:29 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

yeah, but it sounds that unlike, say, contador,...

yeah, but it sounds that unlike, say, contador, this dude was grasping at even fewer straws and didn't have a cogent answer, let alone any actual evidence.

("uh, i called a guy who worked in the...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-09-17, 08:52 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

well--dude had clenbuterol in his system (which...

well--dude had clenbuterol in his system (which is a known masking agent... no other reason for it) and had no plausible explanation.

seems like he didn't do anything to justify a 2-year sentence...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-09-17, 02:47 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

IME this is especially true in the crit scene in...

IME this is especially true in the crit scene in cali (SoCal in particular).

one mitigating factor: when one is younger (say 23), they probably have done fewer sports up to that point their life....
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-09-17, 02:44 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

yeah, but i think the people prone to doping at...

yeah, but i think the people prone to doping at an amateur level are wired VERY different from you (+ me + all the other non-dopers). i don't think they have the same feelings of remorse, or they...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-09-17, 02:37 PM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

i'm still of the opinion that most amateurs are...

i'm still of the opinion that most amateurs are not doing what is portrayed in that film--even the 'serious club rider.'

i guess i figured that people were taking pills or applying creams, but the...
Forum: "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
08-09-17, 10:24 AM
Replies: 2,252
Views: 239,790
Posted By tetonrider

honestly, i'm shocked you found that shocking. i...

honestly, i'm shocked you found that shocking. i agree the amount of stuff he was doing + needles was crazy (never saw all that before), but around here it seems common knowledge that old guys can...
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