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01-07-19, 03:20 PM
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Thanks, flx100. rlorenz2, I just checked a...

Thanks, flx100.
rlorenz2, I just checked a few dozen photos in my database. The signature decal first went into use around 1981-1982. There are a few bikes I can fairly confidently date to 1980,...
01-07-19, 06:44 AM
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Stunning! Great job! I'm curious, did they bring...

Stunning! Great job! I'm curious, did they bring back the 'T' drain hole cutout in the BB shell? And can you decipher the SN?

In all my obsessive comparing various Tommasini graphics styles, I...
01-07-19, 06:32 AM
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Thank you. Are there any serial numbers on there?

Thank you. Are there any serial numbers on there?
01-07-19, 02:07 AM
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Yes! I almost called this one the 'Candy' style...

Yes! I almost called this one the 'Candy' style decals because it so reminded me of various candy wrappers from my childhood. I think you're right that it's closest to Lifesavers.



Thank you!...
01-06-19, 12:07 PM
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Posted By Kevindale

24 Catalogs and dated advertisements

Later I'll come back and post links to what catalogues and brochures and ads have been posted to the web. I'm out of time now. Looking forward to feedback.
01-06-19, 12:05 PM
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23 Serial numbers

The meaning of the numbers and letters stamped on the bottom brackets of Tommasini bikes is an intriguing mystery. They clearly aren’t serial numbers in the literal sense, and they are often...
01-06-19, 11:32 AM
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22 15th Anniversary Bikes

A limited edition of 200 of these were made in 1990 and 1991, to celebrate the 15th anniversary of Bill Lewis importing Tommasinis to the United States (although I think there is evidence that...
01-06-19, 11:17 AM
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21 Components dating

Since most Tommasinis (esp. in the US) were sold as frame sets, and except in rare exceptions a specific model did not correlate with a group set, and because previous owners often change/upgrade...
01-06-19, 11:14 AM
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20 Rear brake cable routing

Early bikes tend to have top tube clips, though there are some with early-style braze ons. I think this is a slightly controversial area, and I’m out of my depth regarding how early top tube cable...
01-06-19, 11:11 AM
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19 Chainstay bridges

Like the brake bridges, there is an evolution with early CS bridges being a simple tube with (usually) some kind of reinforcement, progressing to shaped version without side reinforcements. Bikes...
01-06-19, 11:10 AM
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18 Brake bridges

Rear brake bridges show a clear evolution (though there were three distinct types used simultaneously through the mid-late 1980s). Early bikes have non-recessed nuts and the bridge is a plain...
01-06-19, 11:07 AM
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17 Pump pegs and bottle cage mounts

Pump pegs - very early Tommasinis sometimes had pump peg on the underside of the top tube near the seat lug (see the blue ’Stencil Thomas’ bike above).

In the mid-1980s we see head tube pump pegs...
01-06-19, 11:06 AM
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16 Bottom bracket shells and drain holes

The earliest Tommasinis appear to have a variety of drain hole patterns (or no drain hole), at least in the very few cases I’ve documented.

'Pela' indicates the 4-hole "butterfly" pattern often...
01-06-19, 10:41 AM
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15 Lugs and lug cutouts

There seem to be two main types of lugs used in the early-mid 1970s, one with long points and (usually) no windows, and one with short points and windows. I think the long-point lugs were Guinticiclo...
01-06-19, 10:19 AM
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14 Seat stay end caps

Bullet (Blunt/domed) - very early Tommasinis (2 examples), as well as Competizione models.

Flat (similar to those Pela was known for) - [early-mid 1970s] - see the image above of the blue bike...
01-06-19, 09:59 AM
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13 Colors and paint schemes

The early bikes are all a single color, either gloss or metallic. Metallic gold or shades of blue were particularly common. A very fade-prone metallic red was introduced in the early 80s and not used...
01-06-19, 07:22 AM
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Posted By Kevindale

12 Tommasini Models (and tubing notes)

There are no model designations until 1984 with the introduction of the ‘middle’ graphics.

Among the handful of early bikes (before the ‘THOMAS Racing’ and ‘early’ script Tommasini graphics),...
01-06-19, 07:18 AM
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11 Forks

A variety of fork crowns are seen on the earliest Tommasinis. I’ve tried to describe them in the spreadsheet, and this section needs to be tightened up. With rare exceptions, most of these are...
01-06-19, 07:16 AM
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10 Rear dropouts

Special thanks to T-Mar for this dating, and hopefully I haven’t made too many mistakes here.

301/A [60s - 1973] Long, horizontal, BREV. CAMPAGNOLO across top, extended derailleur mounting boss w/...
01-06-19, 07:09 AM
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9 FD tabs and BB gear cable routing

Front derailleur tab braze-ons indicate 1982 or later. It is rare to see a Tommasini without the FD tab after 1982, but there are a few (which appear to have been made to order or lower-cost models)....
01-06-19, 07:07 AM
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8 Columbus tubing decals

Most Tommasinis are made with Columbus tubing, and tubing decals provide useful dating clues. I haven’t found any definitive source for the dates for early Columbus decals (1970s), as different...
01-06-19, 07:00 AM
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7 Late style graphics

Late - [91-present] Similar style down tube script Tommasini, but now usually painted on, and so the lettering often lacks a contrasting outline. Swoosh graphics disappear. Most obvious change is the...
01-06-19, 06:52 AM
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6 Middle style graphics

Middle - [1984 to 1991] Same DT script Tommasini but with 3 swoosh graphics added (also sometimes on the fork), and script Tommasini on DT in stacked lettering, with modified WC bands above and...
01-06-19, 06:43 AM
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5 Early style Tommasini graphics

Early - [1976/77 to 1983] Script Tommasini decal on DT, Romanesque T inside laurel leaves and chain ring on HT and ST. This very attractive DT decal, making the Tommasini name especially prominent,...
01-06-19, 06:38 AM
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Posted By Kevindale

4 THOMAS Racing graphics

Thomas Racing - [early ‘70s-late ‘70s or early ‘80s] DT decal is THOMAS in a blocky print and then a smaller Racing above a rectangle of WC stripes. Sometimes there is a band of flags above and below...
01-06-19, 06:31 AM
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Posted By Kevindale

3 Block Thomas/Tommasini graphics

I’ve found only 4 examples so far - two on Subito.it (Italian CL, basically), one photographed in the Tommasini shop by Dale Brown in 2007, and one bought from a bike shop in Italy. None of these...
01-06-19, 06:25 AM
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Posted By Kevindale

2 Tommasini Graphics

Point: Tommasini decals are very durable. It’s common to see clear decal remnants on even abused/aged bikes. If a bike is unmolested, there’s a good chance the decals will help roughly date it.
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01-06-19, 06:21 AM
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Posted By Kevindale

Tommasini timeline and serial number registry

I’ve been collecting info on Tommasini bicycles since I found my faded metallic red Tommasini a couple of years ago and became fascinated with figuring out its build date and what its serial number...
12-31-18, 04:35 AM
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Sweet pista Tommasini! I think that early...

Sweet pista Tommasini! I think that early Tommasini DT decal style didn't start until 1975 at the earliest, and probably 1976. More interesting to me the seat stay caps, with the 3 lines but no 'T'...
12-14-18, 04:42 AM
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I could tell from the photo of the entire frame...

I could tell from the photo of the entire frame that this was very likely the brake bridge you had. This shows up on a very few Super Prestige, many Prestige, and many Racing models. I haven't seen...
12-13-18, 03:02 PM
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I know I am disagreeing with T-Mar at my peril...

I know I am disagreeing with T-Mar at my peril (by which I mean his knowledge far out strips mine, and most of what I know about Tommasinis comes from him), but I think Tommasini was doing dual sets...
12-13-18, 12:08 PM
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Just looked through my data, and it's pretty much...

Just looked through my data, and it's pretty much as I said above (likely Prestige, from 85 to 88). However, I have documented a couple of Tommasini Racing models from 86-88, which also share these...
12-13-18, 09:18 AM
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Posted By Kevindale

I agree that this looks to have been rechromed....

I agree that this looks to have been rechromed. Don't be fooled by the TT cable guides - these were used on Prestige and Racing models (and I think some Super Prestige, I'll have to double check),...
12-12-18, 04:40 PM
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The only thing I'll add to what others have said...

The only thing I'll add to what others have said is that you can use the fact that you're in a poor bike market to your advantage if you have a little luck. I recently lived in northwest Louisiana...
12-12-18, 04:55 AM
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Ah, it's an Superprofessional R3...

Ah, it's an Superprofessional R3 (http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/parts/Bocama/bocama_3.htm) seat lug (or Professional, depending on the year - the look the same to me). Thanks for all the...
12-10-18, 04:00 PM
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Posted By Kevindale

Identify this bike maker - "V" lug window

Found this on the Belgian sales forum, 2dhands. It's been "restored" and is claimed to be a Tommasini, but it has a distinctive seat lug that I've never seen before.
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12-05-18, 01:24 PM
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I haven't collected info on Tommasini mountain...

I haven't collected info on Tommasini mountain bikes, mostly because I see them so infrequently, and it's not a particular interest of mine. There aren't any MTB shown in the '85 (approx) Tommasini...
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Just noticed no one answered you. WD-40 is...

Just noticed no one answered you. WD-40 is sometimes useful for stuck nuts and bolts, but PB Blaster is much better, and Kroil is supposed to be the best. Also ATF and acetone in a 50-50 mix is...
11-29-18, 05:09 PM
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Posted By Kevindale

I also met him there, and came very close to...

I also met him there, and came very close to buying that sky blue frame above for my wife. I would have bought it in a second if it were my size, but alas, she didn't see the need for another bike...
11-29-18, 04:38 AM
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Wow, you have a hell of a collection! Here's what...

Wow, you have a hell of a collection! Here's what I concluded so far - when there is a 2-number combo, usually it's consistent with year-month, so your marble blue ('76') could be July 1987. And,...
11-27-18, 05:03 PM
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Posted By Kevindale

That was a working assumption (that bikes with TT...

That was a working assumption (that bikes with TT cable clips are older than those with braze-on guides), but I've now found several Tommasinis that have cable clips and recessed-nut rear brake...
11-27-18, 03:12 AM
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Posted By Kevindale

Haha, my experience, too. When I decided to get...

Haha, my experience, too. When I decided to get back into riding in the mid-Aughts, I decided to get his and hers hybrids, but I wanted something reasonably light with good components (I had the...
11-26-18, 03:30 PM
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Posted By Kevindale

Interesting. That BB image is suggestive, but...

Interesting. That BB image is suggestive, but though they are similar, they're not the same. The BB socket for the downtube on the Tommasini lacks a cutout and is "scooped out" along the centerline,...
11-26-18, 03:07 PM
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Posted By Kevindale

Lekker fiets! It really did clean up nicely. Love...

Lekker fiets! It really did clean up nicely. Love the bars, and the deep dive into a bit of local bike history.
11-25-18, 12:57 PM
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Posted By Kevindale

Tommasini with seat tube serial number??

Here's one (link (https://www.subito.it/vi/240950914.htm)) that I haven't even entered into my spreadsheet because it just doesn't feel correct. It has the unusual decals of the bike I posted earlier...
11-25-18, 11:42 AM
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Posted By Kevindale

You raise a good point that I struggle with -...

You raise a good point that I struggle with - trying to draw conclusions based on photos, without the ability to adjust the viewing angle, or do any disassembly. A lot of the data that I'm compiling...
11-25-18, 11:30 AM
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Posted By Kevindale

Ischiwata Tommasini

Here's a rare (https://www.subito.it/vi/266136098.htm)one from the Subito.it sale site - a Tommasini made with Ischiwata tubing, and sporting a decal/graphics set I hadn't seen until recently (I've...
11-24-18, 03:17 PM
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Posted By Kevindale

An unfortunately "restored" early Tommasini

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/600x450/tom_70s_restoredcopper_fc38bcad5bd7f05cd6ba5644447f9781bce290c3.jpg...
11-24-18, 02:07 PM
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Posted By Kevindale

Fantastic! That's the kind of detail I was hoping...

Fantastic! That's the kind of detail I was hoping you'd weigh in with. That gives me useful reference points for several other bikes.



Yes, I'd noted that, too. Also, the "1968" bike has the TT...
11-24-18, 10:48 AM
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Views: 515
Posted By Kevindale

That would be great! Do you know what years he...

That would be great! Do you know what years he was there? I emailed the shop months ago regarding serial numbers, and never heard back. I think I sent too much info for them to parse through! I think...
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