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08-16-22, 02:57 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 644
Posted By Doug Fattic

I think checking for what kind of brakes the...

I think checking for what kind of brakes the frames were built for is your best option. Campagnolo brakes had a clearance of 47 to 57mm when they came out in 68 or so (going by memory so don't quote...
08-16-22, 12:14 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 253
Posted By Doug Fattic

I think your desire to touch up the paint on your...

I think your desire to touch up the paint on your old Super Sport is going to be a lot more complicated than you think. In one of your earlier threads you brought up the subject and I think I already...
08-14-22, 10:23 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 500
Posted By Doug Fattic

I'll start by answering the OP's question about...

I'll start by answering the OP's question about how often are classic era bike frames out of alignment. As a builder/painter since the mid 70's, I've done hundreds (thousands probably) of alignments....
08-12-22, 08:36 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 1,370
Posted By Doug Fattic

Lbxpdx, let me give you my impressions of your...

Lbxpdx, let me give you my impressions of your bike and fit as a fitter/builder/painter/teacher. It is possible to make almost any bike work by swapping out posts and stems until a position is found...
08-10-22, 03:55 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 397
Posted By Doug Fattic

Yes you can put color paint and clear over...

Yes you can put color paint and clear over powdercoat. I used to do this for John Cherry MTB frames. This was a long time ago when powder coating didn't look so great. The surface wan't very glossy...
08-10-22, 08:00 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 397
Posted By Doug Fattic

Some general information that may or may not be...

Some general information that may or may not be helpful. There are 2 kinds of sandblasters, a suction type and a pressure pot kind. The pressure pot type puts out more media at a lower pressure. They...
08-09-22, 06:58 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 300
Posted By Doug Fattic

This is a Santana "Solana" model tandem. Your...

This is a Santana "Solana" model tandem. Your serial # is consistent with Santana's. I found out in a roundabout way. I know Mike Melton made tandems. I thought it possible he might be associated...
08-08-22, 04:58 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 775
Posted By Doug Fattic

As a framebuilder I think I could bend those...

As a framebuilder I think I could bend those blades back to original specs. We are pretty brutal to them bending the rake in the 1st place. Once a tube become kinked, it is toast but not...
Forum: Framebuilders
08-08-22, 08:34 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 818
Posted By Doug Fattic

Issues of paint going on too dry or lumpy or...

Issues of paint going on too dry or lumpy or whatever happen all the time. As a pro, I solve these problems by adding more reducer or changing the kind of reducer (they are temperature related). Or...
08-07-22, 01:51 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 210
Posted By Doug Fattic

When I visited REW Reynolds in 1974, he was open...

When I visited REW Reynolds in 1974, he was open about having other builders make his store brand frames. I don't believe he ever made frames because he showed me a set of carved lugs he did that he...
08-07-22, 01:30 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 300
Posted By Doug Fattic

Jack Taylor used oversize fork blades for his...

Jack Taylor used oversize fork blades for his tandems. I'm wondering if the steerer is 1' or 1 1/8"? I'd check the seat binder bolts to see if their threads are metric or Whitworth. I don't know...
08-07-22, 11:11 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 893
Posted By Doug Fattic

No, the wheels on this bike are 650C not 650B. ...

No, the wheels on this bike are 650C not 650B. They are a completely different size. 650C wheels are wonderful for small frames and in the era this was built, narrow tires were standard. Terry has...
08-07-22, 05:37 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 277
Posted By Doug Fattic

In August 1972, I had just finished my masters...

In August 1972, I had just finished my masters and was heading from Michigan to Ohio to teach in high school. As I was driving i was listening the congressional hearings on Watergate and whether...
08-06-22, 07:17 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 506
Posted By Doug Fattic

Yes, that Lucas one in the bottom picture is the...

Yes, that Lucas one in the bottom picture is the one I installed on my 1965 Super Sport before we went on our Vermont trip in 1966. Thank you for posting that picture!
08-06-22, 05:30 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 506
Posted By Doug Fattic

Like others have already said, Cateye has made...

Like others have already said, Cateye has made good bike computers since the beginning of time (but still well after your SS was made). You pick a model based on the size of the unit and the features...
08-06-22, 05:54 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 304
Posted By Doug Fattic

Your Super Sport looks amazing! Nice work! I'm...

Your Super Sport looks amazing! Nice work! I'm jealous! it is the same color and size of the SS my dad got me for Christmas in 1965. Brooks makes 2 sizes of rear seat bags that comes in various...
Forum: Framebuilders
08-05-22, 07:37 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 347
Posted By Doug Fattic

A set of 3 lugs can weigh between 80 and 130...

A set of 3 lugs can weigh between 80 and 130 grams + -. A investment cast seat lug will include a binder bolt housing that would need to be attached to a fillet brazed or TIG welding frame. I weighed...
08-05-22, 07:15 AM
Replies: 59
Views: 1,492
Posted By Doug Fattic

Yes you are right about using a straight edge as...

Yes you are right about using a straight edge as a "flip-flop" tool. The adjuster screw is set on one side to just touch the inside of the dropout and then switched to the other side to see if it...
08-05-22, 06:24 AM
Replies: 59
Views: 1,492
Posted By Doug Fattic

Your question is outside of my knowledge base. I...

Your question is outside of my knowledge base. I know some amateur builders use a Wixey angle finder for setting a fixture but I have never owned one myself. My guess is that the readouts would be a...
08-04-22, 10:34 AM
Replies: 59
Views: 1,492
Posted By Doug Fattic

Not really, the level was a tool I could buy...

Not really, the level was a tool I could buy locally that could serve the purpose. It wasn't very expensive in Ukraine. Any true straight edge can be used.


Framebuilders put some kind of...
08-03-22, 07:58 PM
Replies: 59
Views: 1,492
Posted By Doug Fattic

Remember that the OP was asking about altering a...

Remember that the OP was asking about altering a valuable classic Cinelli so my suggestions were directed to his question and not how to spread a $100 beater from Goodwill. In my answer I also wanted...
08-03-22, 11:39 AM
Replies: 59
Views: 1,492
Posted By Doug Fattic

:) Just to be clear, i'm not opposed to using a...

:) Just to be clear, i'm not opposed to using a 2X4 when I am not strong enough to budge something. I've used them on stubborn frames attached to my alignment table. I don't think they should be used...
08-03-22, 10:56 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 498
Posted By Doug Fattic

Thanks for everyone's responses! I chose to use...

Thanks for everyone's responses! I chose to use the 600 6208 because it is the nicer derailleur. I figured if it didn't shift well enough I could swap. I was surprised how well made it was when I...
08-02-22, 03:50 PM
Replies: 59
Views: 1,492
Posted By Doug Fattic

I'm assuming you are referring to the string...

I'm assuming you are referring to the string around the head tube and attached to each dropout and then measure the distance from the string to the seat tube, yes? This is not a good system and does...
08-02-22, 01:37 PM
Replies: 59
Views: 1,492
Posted By Doug Fattic

I would define a "professional" as someone that...

I would define a "professional" as someone that has the proper tools, knowledge and experience to do the job right. Look at the pictures in my post #18. There is a lot of expense in specialized...
08-02-22, 11:15 AM
Replies: 59
Views: 1,492
Posted By Doug Fattic

I am a framebuilder that has spread rear...

I am a framebuilder that has spread rear triangles hundreds of times in my career. The process can be reversed if one wants to take it back to original specs. It is possible to do it yourself but I...
08-02-22, 07:58 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 498
Posted By Doug Fattic

Which 6 sp Shimano derailleur should I choose?

I'm putting together a loaner bicycle from old parts. It is a late 70's 24" sport touring Trek frame silver brazed with Nikko lugs. The DO width is around 123mm (not 120 or 125). I found a Shimano...
07-28-22, 05:35 AM
Replies: 3
Views: 217
Posted By Doug Fattic

Just a word of caution. The kind of paint on our...

Just a word of caution. The kind of paint on our 60's Super Sports is in reality a kind of "candy" paint that is somewhat transparent and is sprayed over a silver base coat. It won't look right if...
Forum: Framebuilders
07-27-22, 10:46 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,105
Posted By Doug Fattic

Using natural gas would be great except it...

Using natural gas would be great except it doesn't have enough pressure coming out of the wall. G-tec makes a unit to increase gas line pressure so it can be used for brazing. Unfortunately it costs...
07-27-22, 11:18 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 508
Posted By Doug Fattic

My dad got me a blue 22" 1965 Super Sport just...

My dad got me a blue 22" 1965 Super Sport just like yours for Christmas. I was a freshman in college. They cost just under $100. It replaced a 1963 $60 "Ascot Flyer" 10 speed made in Austria my...
07-27-22, 08:40 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 480
Posted By Doug Fattic

Whether by accident or design, the colors on this...

Whether by accident or design, the colors on this frame represent Australia. The blue in front with the stars of different sizes is representative of their flag. The green and yellow/gold are the...
07-24-22, 06:19 AM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,006
Posted By Doug Fattic

My first RAGRAI was in 1978 and it was #6 so you...

My first RAGRAI was in 1978 and it was #6 so you are correct #8 was 1980. That was the only year (1980) I could convince my wife to go along. She was/is an excellent cyclist but didn't enjoy it...
07-21-22, 06:55 AM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,998
Posted By Doug Fattic

Fabiofarelli's seat lug treatment on the frame...

Fabiofarelli's seat lug treatment on the frame picture he posted reminds me of the way one of my framebuilding class students from Argentina carved his lugs. This picture was taken right after he...
07-20-22, 04:34 PM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,998
Posted By Doug Fattic

Here is the seat lug treatment I did for a frame...

Here is the seat lug treatment I did for a frame I made for myself in 1987. There is no binder bolt because I put in a mechanism similar to how a Cinelli IR stem works. I also exited the rear brake...
07-20-22, 06:32 AM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,998
Posted By Doug Fattic

Here are a couple of pictures already on my...

Here are a couple of pictures already on my desktop so I don't have to go looking for them. The 1st one is a close up of a fillet brazed frame one of my framebuilding class students did about 10...
07-19-22, 10:15 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 1,006
Posted By Doug Fattic

I 100% know Jeff Bock built John Karris's RAGBRAI...

I 100% know Jeff Bock built John Karris's RAGBRAI frame. I met Jeff on my 1st RAGBRAI in 1978 and almost every year after that we would ride together for one day. Occasionally I would ride a few...
07-19-22, 11:31 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 564
Posted By Doug Fattic

I have loved Super Sports ever since my dad gave...

I have loved Super Sports ever since my dad gave me one for Christmas in 1965. The rear derailleur on yours has been changed and is better than the one on the varsity (that looks like a Schwinn...
07-17-22, 07:33 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,092
Posted By Doug Fattic

Measure your exact steerer length from the crown...

Measure your exact steerer length from the crown race to the very top and the 2nd measurement to the bottom of the threads. That's the start of finding a replacement. Oh measure the exact length of...
07-17-22, 06:34 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 364
Posted By Doug Fattic

Did you mean to say "Campy" crankset?

Did you mean to say "Campy" crankset?
07-14-22, 11:27 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 418
Posted By Doug Fattic

Finding people's best cycling position for the...

Finding people's best cycling position for the kind of body they have and the kind of riding they will be doing and then building a frame around that position is what I do for a living. Well actually...
07-14-22, 05:37 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 418
Posted By Doug Fattic

I would suggest altering your bicycle position to...

I would suggest altering your bicycle position to take some of the weight of holding up your body off of your wrists. This is done by raising the handlebars while correspondingly moving your saddle...
07-14-22, 06:25 AM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,092
Posted By Doug Fattic

Here is a picture of an early 70's Schwinn Super...

Here is a picture of an early 70's Schwinn Super Sport Fork. I'm in the process of repainting it and the blue is a House of Kolor primer. Eventually it will get painted another blue base coat color...
07-13-22, 06:04 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,092
Posted By Doug Fattic

That fork looks exactly like forks on my 70's...

That fork looks exactly like forks on my 70's Schwinn Super Sports. I'm sure it was not original to the frame. It might be something an owner could have gotten as a replacement at a Schwinn Store.
Forum: Framebuilders
07-12-22, 11:43 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 818
Posted By Doug Fattic

Let me help my buddy Andy out with a bit more...

Let me help my buddy Andy out with a bit more explanation. There are a couple of different types of paint pros use when painting a bicycle frame. It used to be that almost all frames were painted...
07-11-22, 10:23 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 617
Posted By Doug Fattic

Custom frame builders build frames for...

Custom frame builders build frames for disproportionate people. Eventually they get sold again. Perhaps the customer insisted on 700C wheels when smaller ones would have been better. I remember...
07-10-22, 03:24 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 265
Posted By Doug Fattic

Paragon Machine Works sell aluminum blocks in a...

Paragon Machine Works sell aluminum blocks in a variety of sizes. Look under their "tools" category. I do a 2 step process using hard maple wood blocks 1st. If the dent isn't significant I doubt...
07-08-22, 10:31 AM
Replies: 26
Views: 685
Posted By Doug Fattic

Of course I'm not ambitious enough to search all...

Of course I'm not ambitious enough to search all Campy cantilever options for every model they made for 4 years. Because the basic shape is the same (except for the bevelled edges) it is hard to...
07-07-22, 08:56 PM
Replies: 26
Views: 685
Posted By Doug Fattic

Looking at Campagnolo catalogs in the 1992 to...

Looking at Campagnolo catalogs in the 1992 to 1994 range, the shape of your cantilever brakes are just like those in the catalogs. What is different is the way the brake shoe posts are attached. It...
Forum: Framebuilders
07-07-22, 12:51 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 627
Posted By Doug Fattic

I'm sure they didn't get nearly everybody. It...

I'm sure they didn't get nearly everybody. It would be difficult to get all professionals that didn't build full time. Also builders came and went in and out of the trade/craft all the time. And some...
Forum: Framebuilders
07-07-22, 08:33 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 627
Posted By Doug Fattic

I looked in the appendix section of my Talbot's...

I looked in the appendix section of my Talbot's frame making book printed in the late 70's or early 80's and their list of frame builders at that time did not include anyone with the initials TR...
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