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04-19-21, 12:01 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

[QUOTE=MarkinOz;22010661]Iíll throw this...

[QUOTE=MarkinOz;22010661]Iíll throw this Technotrat frame into the mix as well that I recently bought in Australia. Again, similar seatstays with heart on the headset lugs only. Mine is stamped with...
04-12-21, 12:10 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes, but similar I would say. There is a thread...

Yes, but similar I would say. There is a thread here with several Tecnotrat frames with slightly differing stays, all of a similar style. The yellow one looks closest to mine I think....
04-08-21, 11:59 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

A pair od 1958 Holdsworths

A couple from 1958, Monsoon and Shop built Factory Special Zephyr. I have had the Monsoon for several years now and it has been in various forms, but now runs 3sp Benelux gears. As I am collecting...
04-06-21, 12:25 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

ok thanks for the info, I'll continue to look....

ok thanks for the info, I'll continue to look. The De Bernardi's have a lot of similarities, guess I will never really know for sure.
03-29-21, 05:44 AM
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Views: 5,988
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

I have been looking to ID a frame that has...

I have been looking to ID a frame that has similarities to these, any thoughts. Mine seems to be a track/sprint in plain gauge, 26.8mm post, has frame size stamped on BB DT socket and no obvious...
03-27-21, 12:36 PM
Replies: 0
Views: 262
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Tecnotrat Frames?

I have seen a post on here from back in 2019 on Tecnotract frames. I have a bike that I am trying to ID which came to badged as a Holdsworth, but its not. I have had a couple of people suggest...
03-27-20, 04:17 AM
Replies: 1
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Freddie Grubb Frame Numbers

I have added the Freddie Grubb numbers to the Holdsworth Frame number database taking information from the facebook group below. This can be accessed via the Holdswoth History site in the usual way....
03-26-20, 01:39 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Getting bit lost in the threads here. I would be...

Getting bit lost in the threads here. I would be interested in confirming the number, could you post some pictures when cleaning it up. We have two frames with 69559, but no photo confirmation. Would...
03-26-20, 01:16 AM
Replies: 137
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes, any information on the date this frame would...

Yes, any information on the date this frame would have been made would be useful, ie was it in stock or built to order etc. We do have a Roy Thame frame that claims to have the same number so a...
03-26-20, 12:50 AM
Replies: 137
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Does look like a special and an H at the start...

Does look like a special and an H at the start has been seen on some early Malboro frames. The windows in the head lugs is odd/unusual so is the double bottle bosses, These are not typical features...
10-21-19, 12:26 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

This is a 5 digit number and if Holdsworth would...

This is a 5 digit number and if Holdsworth would be from the factory number system. I have tried to lay the various systems used on the history site. Holdsworth Bicycles (http://nkilgariff.com/)
10-16-19, 05:46 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

If a Holdsworth that number would suggest late...

If a Holdsworth that number would suggest late 40's ~1949
06-13-19, 03:47 PM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

That sounds good, on that basis I have logged...

That sounds good, on that basis I have logged this one as other CB for c.1958
06-13-19, 03:18 AM
Replies: 22
Views: 1,678
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

For a CB frame with these features the 7 digit...

For a CB frame with these features the 7 digit string was used in the 40's? 1950's numbers were in two blocks, date then seq number. Allowing for incorrect stamping style its difficult to...
11-07-18, 06:49 AM
Replies: 401
Views: 103,604
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes, that does seem to be the case. The...

Yes, that does seem to be the case. The conclusion of the discussion on the Holdsworth numbers were that different foremen used differednt locations and orientations. The slight inconsistancies would...
11-07-18, 01:39 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes, I assume this is a numbering system of his...

Yes, I assume this is a numbering system of his own and had left Holdsworth by then? 1985 would have been the end of the 6D numbers and the start of Malbrough & Falcon ownership.
11-06-18, 01:55 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

The use of Nervex lugs may be simular to...

The use of Nervex lugs may be simular to Holdsworth, but I don't think they ever used French BB and the same rear drop outs. More importantly the frame number is far too high for a Holdsworth 5 Digit...
11-06-18, 01:47 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

You might have seen this thread, but on p7 there...

You might have seen this thread, but on p7 there is a lot of debate on number stamping styles. In fact the whole thead wnet down the route of debating shop number for the period.

Holdsworth...
11-04-18, 02:02 PM
Replies: 401
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Italia Sprint

Just finished what I believe to be an Italia Sprint with "1969" Shop number. Kept the original team pant work and touched up the damage with Porsche Signal Orange; replaced decals. Goes well, I now...
10-31-18, 07:35 AM
Replies: 13
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

The Nuovo record was only listed in 1982 and all...

The Nuovo record was only listed in 1982 and all the numbers collected so far seem to be in a tight bunch within that year. Exactly when they were built would demand on your view on how much stock...
04-19-18, 07:47 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 797
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes I have that down as 72 now, hopfully I will...

Yes I have that down as 72 now, hopfully I will not need to tweek things much any more.
04-19-18, 07:17 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 7,593
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

I have removed all copies of old charts to try...

I have removed all copies of old charts to try and tidy up on the net, lettest below.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/1138045-holdsworth-frame-number-update.html...
04-19-18, 07:09 AM
Replies: 137
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

To try and tidy up on the net I have removed old...

To try and tidy up on the net I have removed old copies of the charts, new ones can be found below

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/1138045-holdsworth-frame-number-update.html...
04-19-18, 07:03 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 797
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

To try and tidy up I hve removed old chants etc. ...

To try and tidy up I hve removed old chants etc.

Link to new ones below
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B62q1UtsrkVVWUZYSTNKZkN4TmM
04-19-18, 01:00 AM
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Views: 797
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Some corrections and new graphs

Some corrections and new graphs
03-11-18, 05:48 PM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Holdsworth Frame Number Update

Update of the numbering with additional numbers and a number of frames coming up with sale dates bringing some more clarity. Charts will be updated again as and when further good dates come to light....
02-17-18, 03:33 PM
Replies: 401
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Brookes I assume, I got so say i have never used...

Brookes I assume, I got so say i have never used one. Don't miss what you never had!
02-16-18, 02:25 PM
Replies: 401
Views: 103,604
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Holdsworth Monsoon

Though I would add my 1958 Holdsworth Monsoon. Bit of nostalgic trip as I had one when at school and re-built very much as 70's bike, this is more of a mix of original new to give a wider range of...
01-29-18, 12:26 PM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Thanks that's interesting. No I do not have this...

Thanks that's interesting. No I do not have this one, i'll add it to the list, odd that they are both from 67, do you have any more details or Photos?
08-21-17, 12:46 AM
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Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Thanks for the documentary evidence, very...

Thanks for the documentary evidence, very helpful. Good to see the Mistral fits the prediction. I'll add this latter. More Green dots!
08-14-17, 07:12 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes Interesting, this is the second high number...

Yes Interesting, this is the second high number starting 74..., both Itilia's. Could be significant. Clearly something else was going on along side the continuing use of 69... numbers.
05-16-17, 11:13 PM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Interesting, we do have another 3 digit number in...

Interesting, we do have another 3 digit number in the early 70's 4D group, #591, not much detail on that one and the Pollard also has 3D number, #005. All the rest are 4 digits, not only one #0014...
05-15-17, 02:55 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes, I am happy to go with it carrying on into...

Yes, I am happy to go with it carrying on into the first half of 82. That said this is only a prediction based on steady clime in production meeting known volumes. 1981 we have some good dates and...
05-15-17, 02:26 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

I'll let Doug confirm the model, but looks like a...

I'll let Doug confirm the model, but looks like a Mistral to me. If this is the only number on the BB then I would think it is an early 4 digit number from the 60's. Sometimes you find odd 3D numbers...
04-10-17, 12:08 AM
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes, looking really good!

Yes, looking really good!
03-24-17, 01:36 AM
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Views: 4,866
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes, I am familiar with both type, having a...

Yes, I am familiar with both type, having a second option may make finding one easier.
03-23-17, 01:51 PM
Replies: 45
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Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Hi, Thanks for the compliment. I did see the...

Hi, Thanks for the compliment. I did see the original ad. for this one, nice frame. I have since tweaked the numbers a bit and put it in early 1957, but 1956/57 is as good as it gets I guess. This...
02-28-17, 09:44 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

All I would add is early Mistrals in the 60's had...

All I would add is early Mistrals in the 60's had the curved brake bridge and the 70 had straight. This can be seen from the bike we have located and the catalogs I think.

We initially had most of...
02-27-17, 05:12 PM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Thanks, the 60's 4 Digit numbers are well...

Thanks, the 60's 4 Digit numbers are well documented, but there are also a number of frames that don't fit. Ie the frame does not ID as a sixties model or seems to be made for other bike...
02-27-17, 07:52 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Looks like you replied while I was looking at the...

Looks like you replied while I was looking at the spreadsheet. Yes I am also at a loss to explain the 5D number, particularly as the style of stamping and position would suggest Holdsworth may have...
02-27-17, 07:45 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Having had quick look through the examples in the...

Having had quick look through the examples in the Excel file there seems to be a general trend in numbers running across the BB as per your 11158 number and Doug's comments. This starts late 40's and...
02-27-17, 05:46 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Thanks for the numbers, that interesting. I have...

Thanks for the numbers, that interesting. I have to say I expected a difference in the style of numbering, they do as you have said both look like frame numbers. I am not sure how significant...
02-27-17, 05:39 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Yes, that sounds good

Yes, that sounds good
02-21-17, 02:54 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Thanks, I have to say the fact that there is a...

Thanks, I have to say the fact that there is a common number on both forks and BB would indicate this is the original number, unless some re-stamping has gone on. Did I read somewhere there was a...
02-21-17, 01:49 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Thanks for your reply. As far as I have seen...

Thanks for your reply. As far as I have seen these numbers are different to the commonly recognized Holdsworth numbering. To be honest I have not looked at them in detail as there is a lot to do with...
02-14-17, 07:06 AM
Replies: 122
Views: 11,491
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Any chance you could get more paint of the BB...

Any chance you could get more paint of the BB number? Just a thought, if the 1st two digits are badly stamped '4's', and still got a bit of paint on them, I understand the 5 Digit numbers ended in...
02-13-17, 06:54 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Done a further update to show the difference...

Done a further update to show the difference between prediction and reality.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B62q1UtsrkVVWUZYSTNKZkN4TmM
02-13-17, 03:47 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Thanks for the number, you seem to have picked up...

Thanks for the number, you seem to have picked up some good bargains. I thought I did well paying £40 for a frame with no forks.

I have added the number and as Doug says it is useful. Assuming we...
02-13-17, 03:04 AM
Replies: 401
Views: 103,604
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Hi, I know its been awhile since your post, but...

Hi, I know its been awhile since your post, but what happened to this frame, specifically the forks? I have been looking for some forks for my Monsoon frame and not come up with anything yet. Will...
02-06-17, 03:14 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 17,146
Posted By dwscrimshaw@bti

Thanks Doug, Yes my eyes glassed over end of last...

Thanks Doug, Yes my eyes glassed over end of last week, took a break from it. Got a couple of rides in and did some work on the Monsoon over the w/e.

Yes, the frame numbers found for the shop...
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