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05-17-21, 12:07 PM
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Posted By Happy Feet

We've already dealt with that exact thing. I...

We've already dealt with that exact thing.

I have no personal stake in the discussion. I don't sell bicycles. I don't care why people do what they do or buy what they buy. I'm even ok if, at the...
05-17-21, 12:01 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

If you disagree state why and we can debate....

If you disagree state why and we can debate. Calling a position ridiculous as a way to discredit it is an ad hom8nen attack.

My experience with cycling spans 50 years and is in several...
05-17-21, 11:51 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Wow, a discussion forum that can't tolerate...

Wow, a discussion forum that can't tolerate discussion. Anyone is free to review my posts to see if I have been "trollish". Then look at a few of those complaining, including a moderator, and see.the...
05-17-21, 09:55 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

I am putting thought into what I'm writing. It's...

I am putting thought into what I'm writing. It's ok to disagree with what I'm saying but I'm not resorting to ridiculous examples like some.

Again, we agree on most things. The amount of effort...
05-17-21, 09:46 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

The goal in exercise is not to work against...

The goal in exercise is not to work against resistance???

That's a new one.

And then you cap off an attempt to call my ideas silly by posting a silly example yourself.
05-17-21, 09:37 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Nice attempt at misconscruing my words but I'm...

Nice attempt at misconscruing my words but I'm not biting.

I've said several times that there are many valid reasons to buy an expensive bike... but... objectively, that they give a better workout...
05-16-21, 08:58 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Not interested. I saw that Monty Python skit...

Not interested. I saw that Monty Python skit already.
05-16-21, 08:43 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

I am aware of those factors but they are...

I am aware of those factors but they are subjective and vary between users, so making an objective statement based on them would be hard to do.

Like the fact that people can choose to apply more...
05-16-21, 08:15 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

No, it's been an attempt to challenge...

No, it's been an attempt to challenge conventional wisdom with objective reasoning, that has been met with a fervent attempt by some to preserve the status quo by various means as if questioning...
05-16-21, 07:53 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

As I was saying about ad hominen attacks... ...

As I was saying about ad hominen attacks...
This says more about your position than mine.



I agree with what you first wrote. Then you went on to strenuously defend a lighter bike. Don't paint...
05-16-21, 06:21 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

It's crystal clear. Are you disagreeing with a...

It's crystal clear. Are you disagreeing with a point I made or just disagreeing with me to disagree?

I'm OK with us agreeing. If you do disagree with a point, provide a logical argument against...
05-16-21, 06:07 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Thank You at last for acknowledging these points....

Thank You at last for acknowledging these points.

Now, if it's just about the effort, and not about the bike what objective argument can be made for buying a lighter bike over a heavier bike?
...
05-16-21, 05:55 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

I'm not arguing against anyone saying the same...

I'm not arguing against anyone saying the same thing. I'm telling you you are agreeing with me. But it seems you are upset about that fact so want to tell me I'm wrong to say we agree.
05-16-21, 12:49 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Exactly what I have been saying. Sure....

Exactly what I have been saying.



Sure. But this is a bicycle discussion forum so we discuss such things. Of the two statements, which is more objectively true:

An expensive lightweight bike...
05-16-21, 12:35 PM
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Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Not nonsense. You literally just agreed with...

Not nonsense. You literally just agreed with everything I've been saying for pages now.

Top tier, race oriented bikes are expensive. They provide an advantage in competition. But, if you goal is...
05-16-21, 12:32 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

You would think most people know that but... ...

You would think most people know that but...

The question isn't about intentionally choosing a heavier bike for a better workout, it's that a lighter bike doesn't give you one.

The OP made a...
05-16-21, 12:20 PM
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Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

This is someone describing cycling training to...

This is someone describing cycling training to improve cycling ability- cycling for cycling sake. It's not general exercise by the average person.

I can imagine the comments one would receive if...
05-16-21, 12:15 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Actually lots of people are arguing that. ...

Actually lots of people are arguing that.

The notion that, if you have a better bike you can work harder to make up the difference is true. However, my point is there is no point spending a lot...
05-16-21, 12:05 PM
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Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

It does make sense but you are also correct. ...

It does make sense but you are also correct.

If people want a more intense workout, they can opt into a difference group. But within that group, whatever level it is, most people are doing the...
05-16-21, 11:14 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

The weight thing, or I would say, resistance...

The weight thing, or I would say, resistance thing, does make a difference in cycling.

The runner moves by propelling weight through space by stepping forward. The cyclist moves by propelling...
05-14-21, 09:36 AM
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Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Or... Why people try so hard to cancel...

Or...

Why people try so hard to cancel discussions they are not interested in.

Real life application:

guy walks into a bike shop looking for a bike to "exercise" with.

Sales person shows...
05-14-21, 08:33 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

I'm not making the assumption that everyone...

I'm not making the assumption that everyone riding in a pack does anything. I also think, in this discussion, people are confusing cycing for cycling sake and cycling as a form of exercise.

l...
05-14-21, 12:18 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

I've gotten your points, I just don't agree with...

I've gotten your points, I just don't agree with them in this particular context.

Like the subjective sentiment that fast is fun. Ok, for you that is probably true, but it has no bearing in terms...
05-13-21, 08:31 PM
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Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

I get it. However, without a power meter one...

I get it.
However, without a power meter one does not really know how many watts they are putting out. All they have is perceived effort.

I would posit that a rider on a mid grade bike on a set...
05-13-21, 08:06 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

This is true and also encapsulates the premise...

This is true and also encapsulates the premise I'm making. Within reason, the mid grade bike will give the average rider as good a workout as the more expensive race oriented bike.

Almost all the...
05-13-21, 07:45 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Well, my intention was that I'm.only interested...

Well, my intention was that I'm.only interested in the discussion as an intellectual exercise and am not going to get butt hurt or insulting if someone holds a different pov. I won't try to cancel...
05-13-21, 04:06 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

You would do better explaining your perspective...

You would do better explaining your perspective rather than resorting to insult. I understand the premise well.

If a medium grade bike covers X distance in Y time at Z watts. A lighter, more race...
05-13-21, 03:02 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Correct. However, if one is covering a set...

Correct. However, if one is covering a set distance at a set speed (as with recreational group.rides done for exercise) you are expending fewer watts to do the same workout. Many people who cycle...
05-13-21, 02:55 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Yes, I stand corrected. I was thinking of a...

Yes, I stand corrected. I was thinking of a similar word that describes using a catchphrase to describe a situation that is more complex but for the life of me this escapes me at the moment. I will...
05-13-21, 12:06 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Oh. I see. It's like you objected to my post...

Oh. I see. It's like you objected to my post without even bothering to consider the context.

It never gets easier, you only go faster, is just a catchphrase that really makes no sense. According...
05-13-21, 11:46 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Err... yah. Or you could explain what you...

Err... yah.

Or you could explain what you object to in the bolded section of text.

Are you saying top tier road bikes do not emphasize greater efficiencies to achieve more performance for less...
05-13-21, 08:50 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

The problem with your assertions, aside from the...

The problem with your assertions, aside from the trollish nature of them, is that they are not narrowing the variables to a reasonable comparison. For your claim to be even close to being...
05-12-21, 08:51 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

I've said several times that the original premise...

I've said several times that the original premise is specious. The comparison should not be between a huffy and a Tarmac, or a S works and a bike pulling a trailer. That's not really arguable. But I...
05-12-21, 12:51 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Imagine a stationary bike for exercise (not...

Imagine a stationary bike for exercise (not training) at a gym that charges by the resistance level selected.

High resistance is cheap, cheap like a Walmart bike, but so hard to pedal for any...
05-10-21, 06:59 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Or that people with nicer bikes will exercise...

Or that people with nicer bikes will exercise more.

That may be true in the specious comparison between a crappy bike and a nice bike but less so (I think) between a mid range bike and a nice bike.
05-10-21, 06:35 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Again, all things being equal. Trying to skew the...

Again, all things being equal. Trying to skew the comparison by having one person do all the pulling just avoids the question at hand.



You get it. If the question is whether one gets a...
05-10-21, 05:32 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Yes, of course. The term " all other things being...

Yes, of course. The term " all other things being equal" applies. Otherwise it would be impossible to make any sort of comparison.

An Olympic cyclist on a Walmart bike probably works less than a...
05-10-21, 02:02 PM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

Sure, it's just a loose example. Otoh, if I,...

Sure, it's just a loose example.

Otoh, if I, on my $1000 bike go out for a ride with my friend with a $10000 bike we are both covering the same distance at the same speed, assuming one does not...
05-07-21, 08:50 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

I am only arguing points for the fun of it. I...

I am only arguing points for the fun of it. I really don't care what people ride. Having said that.

The quality of the workout is also dictated by the available time and frequency of workouts, as...
05-06-21, 08:50 AM
Replies: 292
Views: 8,988
Posted By Happy Feet

The OP's original question was written with too...

The OP's original question was written with too much hyperbole to be taken as a serious premise but if one looked at it more realistically, the case could be made that an decent mid-range bike would...
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