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08-05-20, 08:32 PM
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Posted By allend

Wileyone, Seems to be sparse details of...

Wileyone,

Seems to be sparse details of Tommy Quick's frame buildng career and no doubt you have seen the following already:

There is an article on Classic Lightweights, a thread on Retrobike...
08-05-20, 10:17 AM
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Posted By allend

sced, PS: Interesting, come to think of it,...

sced,

PS: Interesting, come to think of it, I also spent 3 months of the 1973 University summer break cycle touring England, Wales and Europe. During the winter, I had corresponded with the owner...
08-05-20, 09:55 AM
Replies: 137
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Posted By allend

sced, I agree with Wileyone number along BB...

sced,

I agree with Wileyone number along BB edge is typical of TJ Quick's work who was the Putney Shop "specials" builder by 1973 - the year you remember frame being ordered in approx. March....
03-26-20, 07:57 AM
Replies: 137
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Posted By allend

sced Thanks PS: I had sent a PM that must...

sced
Thanks

PS: I had sent a PM that must have crossed path of your last message.
03-26-20, 06:33 AM
Replies: 137
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Posted By allend

sced, Yes, would be helpful to have a pic of...

sced,

Yes, would be helpful to have a pic of BB serial as well as know your best estimate for when frame was built, so as to aid with serial projections.

As said, this "69" number points to a...
03-25-20, 08:37 PM
Replies: 137
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Posted By allend

sced Wonder re the serial number 69559 as...

sced

Wonder re the serial number 69559 as there is another frame (Cronometro Ultralite) with same number on Holdsworth serial list I link to above. Is your number correct as I notice you do give...
03-25-20, 05:14 PM
Replies: 137
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Posted By allend

sced, OP Dave Scrimshaw and I have looked...

sced,

OP Dave Scrimshaw and I have looked closely at your nice frame, pics of which you've shown in other threads. Believe you've stated it was a Xmas present in 1973. The serial number 69559...
06-13-19, 08:46 AM
Replies: 22
Views: 1,469
Posted By allend

Well... all I can say is that frame looks...

Well... all I can say is that frame looks identical to first frame we have in new sequential 1959 Holdsworthy Claud Butler system (#840) which is a typical Challenge model - Prugnat 62s lugs, Nervex...
06-09-19, 06:03 PM
Replies: 22
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Posted By allend

Holdsworth ID Help

I'd be thinking this is an early 1958 Holdsworthy / Claud Butler Challenge model soon after takeover and prior to onset of new sequential serial system in 1959.

Is there an oiler on top, non drive...
07-17-18, 01:16 PM
Replies: 51
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Posted By allend

PS: Your lugs I believe are Prugnat 62S and were...

PS: Your lugs I believe are Prugnat 62S and were frequently used in Holdsworthy models.
07-17-18, 01:12 PM
Replies: 51
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Posted By allend

I really know little more than what is in GCBM's...

I really know little more than what is in GCBM's post elsewhere in this thread and what I have learned re other Harding frames in working with Dave Scrimshaw, collecting and making sense of...
07-16-18, 07:35 PM
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Posted By allend

Looks like the Holdsworth Championship, perhaps a...

Looks like the Holdsworth Championship, perhaps a precursor to Elan, which was only in Kilgariff's Holdsworth catalogue for '78. (Can't find a '79 catalogue but there is a recently likely identified...
04-27-18, 11:24 AM
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Posted By allend

My thoughts; Using Dave Scrimshaws frame...

My thoughts;
Using Dave Scrimshaws frame numbering table places #3355 as 1973/1974 as it appears to fit in the serial system used for factory custom order frames during period 1970 to 1975...
03-25-18, 03:40 PM
Replies: 137
Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

Hi browngw, Well, actually Dave has started...

Hi browngw,

Well, actually Dave has started a new up to date numbers thread and table actually place this frame as c.1971....
01-29-18, 02:38 PM
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Posted By allend

Pro bikes 674706(Classic Lightweights) and 674108...

Pro bikes 674706(Classic Lightweights) and 674108 (Velobase) are one and the same. Reportedly built by Collard for Bob Addy. Thought to be the first Pro in iconic orange. I talked via email with...
12-10-17, 07:46 AM
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Posted By allend

Looks to me very typical of a 1982 Holdsworthy...

Looks to me very typical of a 1982 Holdsworthy Nuovo Record. A very nice frame.

This frame appears to have only been built and listed in 1982 catalogue. Dave Scrimshaw's prediction table...
10-09-17, 12:49 PM
Replies: 16
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Posted By allend

Juvela I did not know that the lower end (to...

Juvela

I did not know that the lower end (to my eye) pressed steel dropouts on Challenge are also Agrati.

Only the Cordon Bleu is advertised in '63 CB catalog as having Agrati ends (presumably...
10-08-17, 06:33 AM
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Posted By allend

Hi Doug, Yes, the Challenge on Flickr is in...

Hi Doug,

Yes, the Challenge on Flickr is in very good shape. If not original paint, from catalogue description I think that bike is very accurate re paint scheme and decals. Will you restore to...
10-07-17, 05:18 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 1,760
Posted By allend

Doug In case still some problems loading '63...

Doug

In case still some problems loading '63 catalogue of Challenge I'll attach a copy. Also found a good example of a Challenge model on Flickr:...
10-06-17, 11:48 AM
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Posted By allend

Hi Doug I think those are not Nervex but...

Hi Doug

I think those are not Nervex but rather "continental" French Prugnat (62S?) lugs. Prugnat first introduced by Holdsworthy in 1963. The rear dropouts don't look like Agrati as on Cordon...
10-05-17, 08:19 PM
Replies: 16
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Posted By allend

Low number places it as an early 60's Holdsworthy...

Low number places it as an early 60's Holdsworthy Claud.

Wonder which Nervex lugs it has? Serie Legere were on Coureur and Olympic while Nervex Pro was on Cordon Bleu which seems to be the more...
08-17-17, 10:03 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

Hi Dave, I really have no reliable...

Hi Dave,

I really have no reliable knowledge re outside builders in WF Holdsworth shop beyond the writings of N Kilgariff. Certainly main "shop" builder at time of your frame build would have...
08-16-17, 06:44 AM
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Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

Dave, These 3 frames all very helpful and...

Dave,

These 3 frames all very helpful and important information.

Looks to me like your father's "Strada" (74739) is a frame built for shop stock. Because font and position of serial is...
08-14-17, 04:40 PM
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Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

Hi Dave, While you are at it, pics of seat...

Hi Dave,
While you are at it, pics of seat cluster, BB details and rear dropouts (are they vertical?) would also be helpful. Do I see holes drilled in lug spear points?
Doug
08-13-17, 04:00 PM
Replies: 137
Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

Hi Dave, Dave Scrimshaw and rest of us might be...

Hi Dave,
Dave Scrimshaw and rest of us might be interested in seeing some pics including serial number on BB. Yes, I guess builds for the shop sometimes hung around for a while. Seems it would have...
07-12-17, 02:29 PM
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Posted By allend

Looks like there is a 0 making number actually...

Looks like there is a 0 making number actually 024453 which would place frame in Holdsworthy factory system from 1976 to 1985. This was a sequential system, always six digits and beginning with...
05-22-17, 04:09 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

Hi Treborley, Looks like 15mm is in middle...

Hi Treborley,
Looks like 15mm is in middle between 9/16" and 5/8". Really can't comment without more accuracy.
Doug
05-15-17, 03:07 PM
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Posted By allend

"168"

Definitely has the appearance of a Super Mistral with Prugnat I lugs and fully sloping fork crown. Doesn't appear to have any features of a Putney shop build - must be a factory build. Straight rear...
05-15-17, 05:36 AM
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Posted By allend

"168"

Thanks for pics of "168".

If indeed an early 60's short number and a Mistral, or more correctly a Super Mistral with fully sloping fork crown, it would not fit with a Holsworthy Factory build as...
05-13-17, 03:51 PM
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Posted By allend

Tricky, I agree looks like a sloppy 7 to me....

Tricky,
I agree looks like a sloppy 7 to me. From looking at a lot of these numbers 1 and 7 are often misread for each other. The 7 tends to have a bit of a curve, which this does. While the style...
05-13-17, 03:39 PM
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Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

3 digit Holdsworth frame number

There are several possibilities. However, we need any history of frame you may have and pictures of frame: a full side on view and pics of head lugs, seat cluster, BB, stay bridges, dropouts and...
04-28-17, 04:36 AM
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Posted By allend

I don't see it mentioned on this thread, but...

I don't see it mentioned on this thread, but Brooks actually sells separately all the various rivets (and other parts) for their saddles. Not cheap. See:...
03-25-17, 04:04 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 6,491
Posted By allend

Shellac has wood alcohol (methy hydrate i.e. bad...

Shellac has wood alcohol (methy hydrate i.e. bad moonshine in it) and 5cc ingested will kill you or at least make you blind and destroy your kidneys.

Shellac does not like water so you will be...
03-25-17, 06:31 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 4,444
Posted By allend

John, So... Did realsteel's Agrati driveside...

John,
So... Did realsteel's Agrati driveside dropout come from the Italian factory with the integrated hanger (whether Simplex,Huret or Campagnolo type) as part of it?
Thanks!
Doug
03-24-17, 01:23 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 4,444
Posted By allend

John, Maybe you can answer this question....

John,

Maybe you can answer this question. Would the hanger on the Agrati dropout have come from the Agrati factory like that or would the hanger have been added later by Holdsworth?

Great to...
03-24-17, 09:30 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 6,491
Posted By allend

Sounds like you achieved your goal. If you did ++...

Sounds like you achieved your goal. If you did ++ more work the next scratch might hurt! :)
03-24-17, 08:06 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 6,491
Posted By allend

jefnvk, As per prior post, once paint (clear...

jefnvk,

As per prior post, once paint (clear coat) is good and dry it is easy enough to rub out orange peel with 2000 grit wet paper and run with possibly (depending on severity) a careful coarser...
03-24-17, 07:03 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 4,444
Posted By allend

reasteel, Came across this pic of a '53...

reasteel,

Came across this pic of a '53 Gillot on Classic Lightweights "reader's bikes" with same rear Agrati dropout and what is called a Simplex hanger, looking to my eye identical as on your...
03-23-17, 08:52 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 4,444
Posted By allend

Yes, kinda looks like a Simplex hanger (also...

Yes, kinda looks like a Simplex hanger (also looks like a simplex shifter boss). From what I understand the hole is usually not threaded but can be easily be tapped to take Campy. Maybe that is what...
03-20-17, 04:06 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 6,491
Posted By allend

Having no amount of spray painting experience and...

Having no amount of spray painting experience and just a humble tinkerer and DYI'r I have gotten runs and orange peel when using Spray Max products. I have been impressed with how easy each were to...
03-19-17, 06:20 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 6,491
Posted By allend

I bought SprayMax (2K in an aerosol can) here in...

I bought SprayMax (2K in an aerosol can) here in Canada at Nappa, an auto parts and paint supply franchise. Perhaps you have same shop or another that would have or a similar product. Spray Max is a...
03-19-17, 05:19 PM
Replies: 3
Views: 643
Posted By allend

Prugnat I lugs make frame #026204 a Mistral. (The...

Prugnat I lugs make frame #026204 a Mistral. (The Mistral had lost full wrap around seat stays by 80's.)

Doug
03-19-17, 05:04 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 6,491
Posted By allend

I have used SprayMax 2K clear coat several times...

I have used SprayMax 2K clear coat several times including over original finish and decals of my '68 Claud Butler. Worked great. One needs to use a proper respirator in a well ventilated area. If I...
02-28-17, 05:46 PM
Replies: 137
Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

rhm; Names that come to mind are Harding...

rhm;

Names that come to mind are Harding (Ireland and California) , Hill Cycles (Philidelphia), DBS (Norway), even Gillot (during Edwardes era). Sure there were others?

Dave Scrimshaw lists...
02-28-17, 06:51 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

rhm Looking just at the number 3739, it is a...

rhm

Looking just at the number 3739, it is a number that is higher than other 12 examples that Dave lists belonging to early 60's 4 digit numbers. Highest listed thus far is 2230. So #3739, with...
02-27-17, 08:32 PM
Replies: 137
Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

rhm, As I understand it; The early 60's...

rhm,

As I understand it;

The early 60's numbers for strict Holdsworth models thus far do not appear to exceed the 2000s. If 4 digit number is higher than that, likely it is early 70's.
...
02-27-17, 08:07 PM
Replies: 137
Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

Holdsworth Numbers as I understand them: ...

Holdsworth Numbers as I understand them:

Grubbs always had a different numbering system when owned by Holdsworth and were discontinued on move to Oakfield Road in '76 on move to Oakfield Road....
02-27-17, 07:30 AM
Replies: 137
Views: 15,881
Posted By allend

Hi Dave, Yes appears to me that "Holdworth...

Hi Dave,

Yes appears to me that "Holdworth Score" numbers (3739) are oriented on BB near seat tube with font similar to 2 other BB examples (frames 1812 and 2620) you have on your Excel...
02-14-17, 06:25 AM
Replies: 390
Views: 94,739
Posted By allend

Those are likely campy vertical dropouts that I...

Those are likely campy vertical dropouts that I have seen on other 60'70's bikes usually time trial bikes as quick to change a wheel. Here's a link to velobase. From what I have read some builders...
02-13-17, 11:51 AM
Replies: 390
Views: 94,739
Posted By allend

Well, I was a little nervous re this as I had...

Well, I was a little nervous re this as I had previously only seen the serial number on BB. I feel better now.

The integral seat post bolt, the chunky wrap around seat stays and the ring cable...
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