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12-23-15, 11:08 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

The Mediterranean Diet IS a Whole Food Plant...

The Mediterranean Diet IS a Whole Food Plant Based diet? WRONG!
Again, you demonstrate that you don't know what a Whole Food Plant Based diet is -- but, whatever it is, you don't like it!

But,...
12-23-15, 11:02 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

I think you are losing it... You're conceptions...

I think you are losing it...
You're conceptions and assumptions about diet have been challenged and you feel threatened -- so you respond with insults...

No evidence? I offered you evidence with...
12-22-15, 12:37 PM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

I have referred you to a source of over 3,000...

I have referred you to a source of over 3,000 references to the evidence you claim does not exist -- which you have ignored. Well, I guess it doesn't exist -- if you don't look! That's the old: "If...
12-22-15, 11:28 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Sorry, but your history of angry rants belies...

Sorry, but your history of angry rants belies your claims to be open minded about any diet but your own...

And, I defined what 'processed food' means - and it ain't cooking or mixing as you...
12-22-15, 06:18 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Yes, humans ARE quite adaptable. They had to be...

Yes, humans ARE quite adaptable. They had to be to survive. If they could obtain a dead animal they ate it. If they could obtain a tuber, they ate that. To survive they needed to eat whatever...
12-22-15, 05:59 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Oh! So you're starting to back peddle now from...

Oh! So you're starting to back peddle now from your ideologic opinions about healthy diets?

And yes, ALL olive oil is processed -- meaning a process is used to strip out a single portion of a...
12-21-15, 07:47 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Olive Oil IS healthy -- when used to replace...

Olive Oil IS healthy -- when used to replace purely saturated fats. But even then, Olive Oil is also 10% saturated fat itself -- higher than the 7% recommendation.
The Mediterranean Diet IS...
12-21-15, 05:19 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Your comparison of a vegan diet to a low-fat diet...

Your comparison of a vegan diet to a low-fat diet is all true...
But mine and most of the posts in this thread refer to a third type of diet: "Whole Food Plant Based" diets (and the like). While...
12-21-15, 04:30 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

I think it is wonderful that you have the...

I think it is wonderful that you have the resources and the knowledge to have the choice to make. Many do not.

But, are you paranoid? Only if you believe that the Standard American Diet is...
12-21-15, 04:03 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

My concern with GMO's is two fold: First, we...

My concern with GMO's is two fold:
First, we just simply do not know if they are safe or not. The research has never been done. Instead, Monsanto & the rest simply claim that
'there is no...
12-20-15, 07:39 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Again: The trouble with debating you is that you...

Again: The trouble with debating you is that you cherry pick or even invent "facts" to support your ideology based diet. So, your "facts" come out as an endless stream of 90% bull...

I can site...
12-20-15, 07:36 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Your negativity may or may not be justified --...

Your negativity may or may not be justified -- but your facts about financial & nutritional deprivation in the years after WW-II and the Baby Boomer generation's knowledge of what preceeded their...
12-20-15, 07:22 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

It's time you learned the science rather than...

It's time you learned the science rather than throwing tantrums when your ideology is threatened and spouting twisted, distorted rhetoric and propaganda...

The trouble with debating you is that...
12-20-15, 07:17 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

You, my friend, are a threat to their ideology......

You, my friend, are a threat to their ideology...

Best of luck with your new diet and Congratulations on choosing health over convenience...
12-20-15, 07:15 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Of all the diseases plaguing modern society,...

Of all the diseases plaguing modern society, "Protein Deficiency" is just not one of them. Yet, Americans seem fixated on protein and make a slab of protein from a dead animal the center piece of...
12-20-15, 06:46 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Short, sweet and true! I like it! ... Well...

Short, sweet and true! I like it!
... Well said!
12-20-15, 06:40 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Healthy diets seem to be on a continuum: at one...

Healthy diets seem to be on a continuum: at one extreme is the Standard American Diet and at the other a Whole Food Plant Based diet.

So, most agencies would agree that the diet you describe is...
12-20-15, 06:09 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Again, you are spouting nonsense: all...

Again, you are spouting nonsense: all pseudo-science and twisted and distorted "facts" manufactured to support an ideology...
12-20-15, 06:03 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Eating a high animal protein diet may not be...

Eating a high animal protein diet may not be healthy -- but it can be good for musculature and waist line. For many Americans, health is defined by big muscles and a small waist and vegans are...
12-20-15, 05:55 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

I think your grandma was probably talking about...

I think your grandma was probably talking about the depression years and their follow-up throughout the 30's, In the U.S. that ended with our entrance into WW-II and pretty much continued with...
12-20-15, 05:34 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Yes, I agree that the American disease-care...

Yes, I agree that the American disease-care system is not very good at promoting health.

And, yes, the poor are hit disproportionately hard with the fast food/cheap processed food wave. But the...
12-20-15, 05:16 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Yes, it is obvious from his posts: His...

Yes, it is obvious from his posts: His high-fat/high-animal-product diet is based on ideology rather than science. For him and the other most vocal proponents, "facts" are created to support their...
12-18-15, 05:44 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Having grown up in the post-WW II era, I can...

Having grown up in the post-WW II era, I can assure you that your analysis or food prices and availability may have been true for Europe, but not the U.S.

On the other hand, cheap foods did not...
12-18-15, 05:27 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

You sound very frightened of veganism. Does it...

You sound very frightened of veganism. Does it threaten your ideology? Well yes, I guess it does as, despite the best efforts of the meat and dairy industries, pretty much all major health related...
12-18-15, 05:22 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Wrong AGAIN! Paleo/Atkins ideologurs try to...

Wrong AGAIN!
Paleo/Atkins ideologurs try to refute the China Study not because it is invalid but because it points out the failure of their ideology...
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No, it is a real study using real,...
12-17-15, 05:20 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Yes, that's part of the trouble listening to...

Yes, that's part of the trouble listening to experts: "Train Hard", "Moderate Intensity", "High Intensity", "Train to Failure" all seem to mean different things to different people -- yet they are...
12-17-15, 05:08 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Good for you for identifying the muscle...

Good for you for identifying the muscle imbalances on your own! (I had to go to a Physical Therapist before I realized that -- well actually two: the first misdiagnosed it). Once you understand...
12-17-15, 04:57 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

I don't think we are quite there yet... It...

I don't think we are quite there yet...
It seems to me that while most government and agency recommendations tend to center around "eat more fruits, vege's and legumes" they have yet to say: ...
12-17-15, 04:37 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Yes, I did read "Whole". It was not a 'fun' read...

Yes, I did read "Whole". It was not a 'fun' read as it was more academic in nature because it was more focused on systemic/research factors rather than personal 'how do I do this?' things....

But...
12-16-15, 04:34 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Muscle Mass? As in visual size of muscles? ...

Muscle Mass? As in visual size of muscles? Yes, it is possible that the cycling is burning off the fat that often gives size to muscles... That is: you may look smaller but be stronger.

If...
12-15-15, 10:38 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

As with a physician -- if he is simply dictating...

As with a physician -- if he is simply dictating his personal views, preferences and biases without working with you as a team and respecting you and your needs and preferences, then move on...
... ...
12-15-15, 04:21 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

You keep spouting nonsense while trying to trash...

You keep spouting nonsense while trying to trash this vegan thread... I hope it makes you feel better about your poor diet.

But it's interesting that even the strongest proponents of eating...
12-15-15, 04:18 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Yes, that's what people looked like back then. ...

Yes, that's what people looked like back then. But standards and expectations have changed...
While I was growing up in the 50's & 60's, not only were few people fat but, fat was equated to "lazy"....
12-14-15, 09:12 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

And now, getting back to the subject of this...

And now, getting back to the subject of this thread (from attacks by those who oppose non-meat centric diets), from the preface of Michael Greger's new book "How Not To Die"

"It all started with...
12-14-15, 07:00 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Really?

Really?
12-13-15, 04:19 PM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Wrong AGAIN! from the Blue Zones -- an...

Wrong AGAIN!

from the Blue Zones -- an impartial study of those areas where people live the longest, healthiest lives...
"Older Okiniawans have eaten a plant based diet most of their lives. ...
12-13-15, 04:06 PM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

You are confused... Amongst other things you...

You are confused... Amongst other things you confuse facts with smugness... In any case, you sound quite defensive.
12-13-15, 03:39 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Yes, but in addition: most fruits contain high...

Yes, but in addition: most fruits contain high levels anti-oxidents which reduces oxidation (which is a factor in systemic inflammation and probably atherosclerosis) caused by free radicals. I am...
12-13-15, 03:04 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

You forgot to mention McDonald's and CocaCola... ...

You forgot to mention McDonald's and CocaCola... As the western diet spreads, traditional healthy diets are displaced.

Even in the Blue Zones, research is hindered by modern western diets...
12-13-15, 03:00 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

You can ignore evidence. But that does not mean...

You can ignore evidence. But that does not mean it does not exist.

But, that has been a favored tactic of industry: first the tobacco industry and now the livestock, dairy and processed foods...
12-13-15, 02:42 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Sorry, calling a Whole Food Plant Based diet a...

Sorry, calling a Whole Food Plant Based diet a "low fat" diet is like calling Katrina a rain storm. Yes, Katrina was a storm and it did rain. Likewise, one component of a Whole Food Plant Based...
12-13-15, 02:09 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

That is true only if the purpose of your diet is...

That is true only if the purpose of your diet is to fulfill an ideology rather than promote health and well being.
12-13-15, 02:03 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Wrong on all counts... Whole Food Plant Based...

Wrong on all counts...
Whole Food Plant Based diets are the only ones proven to prevent and often reverse most of the chronic diseases driving the western world into bankruptcy while it pays to...
12-12-15, 05:45 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Yes, I verified that personally... When I...

Yes, I verified that personally...
When I switched to an Whole Food Plant Based diet, not only did I have to overcome a lifetime of being told I had to eat meat and/or dairy to get enough protein...
12-12-15, 05:12 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Congrats on your success! ... You obviously...

Congrats on your success!
... You obviously worked hard and it has paid off...

The reversal of your plaque is impressive.
And, by the way, I recently read a study that said that a zero...
12-12-15, 05:01 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

[QUOTE=Carbonfiberboy;18383646]. ... Both...

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Both Ornish and Esselstyn monitored their vegan subjects very closely. That's obviously a good idea. I think if I had been monitored weekly by a specialist when...
12-12-15, 04:51 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

Wrong, B12 is B12... It works either way....

Wrong,
B12 is B12... It works either way....
12-12-15, 04:49 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

No, you are wrong again.... The studies ARE...

No, you are wrong again....
The studies ARE published -- and the book I recommended to you includes well over a hundred pages of references to those studies.

But, if you prefer to remain...
12-11-15, 07:13 AM
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Posted By GeorgeBMac

.... Wrong again.... All large, successful...

.... Wrong again....

All large, successful societies have been based on some variation of a Whole Food, Plant Based diet -- including the Mediterranean Diet which is first and foremost a Whole...
12-11-15, 07:06 AM
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Views: 15,189
Posted By GeorgeBMac

The evidence is presented in the books. Read...

The evidence is presented in the books. Read them. For your own benefit, read them. You would likely enjoy Michael Greger's new book "How not to die". It includes well over 100 pages of...
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