Anyone else not impressed with Campy?
11-30-10, 10:21 PM
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Anyone else not impressed with Campy?
Seriously good stuff. Great bicycle art. Functions wonderfully. But is it worth the money? I don't even think it's close.
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11-30-10, 10:25 PM
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Playing with fire, Doohickie...
11-30-10, 10:28 PM
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Depends on the price. If you're talking NOS prices, then I might as well go buy a new Campagnolo 10sp Centaur or Athena group. I picked up a Serotta wearing a nearly complete Super Record group in trade for a Schwinn that I had about $300 in. Figure the frame was worth every penny of the purchase price so that group cost me $0 - so it was well worth that price! On the flip side I pieced together a Nuovo Record group for my Gazelle A-Frame. Works well, I think the Sachs freewheel is the weak point in that group right now causing some shifting issues. I had a SunTour Cyclone / Superbe group on that bike for a short time - didn't find it in any way better than the Nuovo Record.
11-30-10, 10:28 PM
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Depends on what you're talking about. If you mean Athena 11 full carbon, I wouldn't spend it. If you have a bike with a wide range on the rear freewheel - again, I'd look at something else.
If you want something that's going to last for 30 years of use with cursory maintenance, and look good - I'd not look past it.
If you want something that's going to last for 30 years of use with cursory maintenance, and look good - I'd not look past it.
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11-30-10, 10:49 PM
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Are we talking new Campy? I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. Heck, I wouldn't trade my Centaur in for SRAM Red or Di2 if I had the choice.
The stuff functions properly and reliably. It looks great, it's fully user serviceable, and it lasts forever.
As for the old stuff, I've heard that DA from the 70s had better shifting performance than SR, which might be right, but it's all suggestive.
The stuff functions properly and reliably. It looks great, it's fully user serviceable, and it lasts forever.
As for the old stuff, I've heard that DA from the 70s had better shifting performance than SR, which might be right, but it's all suggestive.
11-30-10, 11:05 PM
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Vintage Campy? Worth it if the snob value is important to you. Otherwise, stick with Shimano, SunTour or Simplex. There is nothing so overpriced, overvalued and over-hyped in cycling as Nuevo Record. I got disillusioned with it back in '73. Indexed Campy? Not interested in all the lack of interchangeability. Shimano makes it all a lot easier.
Bottom line: Ride Campy if you gotta show off. Or if a certain part of your physique isn't functioning anymore.
Bottom line: Ride Campy if you gotta show off. Or if a certain part of your physique isn't functioning anymore.
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11-30-10, 11:07 PM
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I assume we are talking about old Campy, circa 1980's. Let me be diplomatic. I have run both old Campy friction and mid 80's DA SIS. The old Campy runs like the transmission on an old standard shift 3-speed truck compared to DA. I originally built up my early 80's Pinarello all Campy with an '84 Patent RD and absolutely hated it. It was just plain clunky. I pulled the Campy drivetrain and transplanted the DA. Now it shifts like the sports car it's suppose to be.
BTW, I have since started collecting DA drivetrain components. My future C&V builds will all be DA or 600 tricolor. Actually, all of my present C&V bikes are DA, Tricolor, Ultegra or some combination, including the Italians.
BTW, I have since started collecting DA drivetrain components. My future C&V builds will all be DA or 600 tricolor. Actually, all of my present C&V bikes are DA, Tricolor, Ultegra or some combination, including the Italians.
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11-30-10, 11:09 PM
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where the heck is that eye rolling smilely?
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11-30-10, 11:11 PM
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both my road bikes are FULL campy and even my sscx bike has campy cranks, bb, and front hub.
i wouldnt trade my 10spd record for red, dura ace, or di2. i would trade it for record or super record 11 though (maybe chorus)
i wouldnt trade my 10spd record for red, dura ace, or di2. i would trade it for record or super record 11 though (maybe chorus)
11-30-10, 11:11 PM
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personally, i've got nothing *against* the campy stuff, but i'm a confirmed shimano guy. Not b/c there's anything wrong with campy, but b/c shimano got so much of it right, including price and the price of the vintage stuff. I suspect that campagnolo's popularity/perceived value has something to do with racism for many of the zealots.
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11-30-10, 11:14 PM
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11-30-10, 11:15 PM
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If we're talking new Campy, than I agree. Amazingly, the new ($400) carbon Super Record rear derailleur is 2 grams heavier than one of my old Superbe Pro RDs. And it probably doesn't work any better than the Suntour when you're using friction shifters 
. I'll just sit back now and wait for a hoard of weight-weenies to lynch me... if they can catch me on their heavy, heavy bikes.
. I'll just sit back now and wait for a hoard of weight-weenies to lynch me... if they can catch me on their heavy, heavy bikes.
11-30-10, 11:18 PM
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If we're talking new Campy, than I agree. Amazingly, the new ($400) carbon Super Record rear derailleur is 2 grams heavier than one of my old Superbe Pro RDs. And it probably doesn't work any better than the Suntour when you're using friction shifters . I'll just sit back now and wait for a hoard of weight-weenies to lynch me... if they can catch me on their heavy, heavy bikes.
. I'll just sit back now and wait for a hoard of weight-weenies to lynch me... if they can catch me on their heavy, heavy bikes.edit:
did i just defend shimano?
11-30-10, 11:18 PM
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Thanks, but I'm kind of serious.
Gawd, who needs more than 6 or 7 speeds in back???
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11-30-10, 11:21 PM
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i love my ergo 10 speed shifters. i can even rebuild them if they ever do break. Can you do that with Shimano?
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11-30-10, 11:33 PM
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Campy 10s, especially in the Centaur flavor, is good value for money...especially if you buy used...hardy, rebuildable..AND...doesn't look terribly out of place on a C+V bike!
11-30-10, 11:38 PM
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I'm just waiting for Shimano's huge product recall due to complaints of unintended acceleration. Sometime in the near future we're going to see a group of cyclists in the TdF flying up a mountain at 100MPH, screaming all the way.
11-30-10, 11:39 PM
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Hmmm... All I know is 60s-70s Campagnolo. In those days it was the best you could get. Since, well, the Japanese have probably improved upon it. But I still ride only the old stuff. If it was good enough for Eddy...
Actually, what's great about it is it lasts forever!
Actually, what's great about it is it lasts forever!
11-30-10, 11:46 PM
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Maybe race-ism, as in Campagnolo has/had a long history as the preeminent bicycle racing component manufacturer. Shimano and Suntour represent a shift in cycling history for some, though I'm not exactly sure what that shift is. That's why the Classic Rendezvous list has 1983 as a cut-off date for discussion (predates indexed shifting systems).
I perceive more racism (or zealous patriotism?) in sketchy CL and ebay listings for "MADE IN THE USA" Treks and Cannondales.
11-30-10, 11:48 PM
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Lasts forever +1 - and look how much material you can remove from it while still retaining functionality!!
I
Campy! And I never drill anything but
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Campy! And I never drill anything but DD
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12-01-10, 12:13 AM
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What's not interchangeable with Campy? Shimano has so many proprietary movements, I can't even begin to fathom how this is a negative against Campy at all.
EDIT: DD: that is absolutely amazing! You should do a drillium class.
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I ride 10s Record and love it. It looks MUCH better than modern Shimano and functions as well or better from my experience.
The vintage stuff to me is mostly snob appeal but I understand using it to keep a high end vintage bike original. For value and functionality in friction land it's Suntour FTW!
EDIT: I just want to add that I searched FTW to see what else it might mean other than "for the win" and "Frank The Welder" came up on acronym finder....
The vintage stuff to me is mostly snob appeal but I understand using it to keep a high end vintage bike original. For value and functionality in friction land it's Suntour FTW!
EDIT: I just want to add that I searched FTW to see what else it might mean other than "for the win" and "Frank The Welder" came up on acronym finder....
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I think it's fair to say that campagnolo had a bit of a 'dark age' if you will, during which shimano made better performing components. That said, their new stuff seems to be excellent, and back in the day (pre-80's) they were pretty much top of the heap.