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Old 04-02-23, 11:24 PM
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Carbon vs aluminium vs steel vs Ti....

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Here's a new one, never imagined cross chaining could be contentious?
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
Here's a new one, never imagined cross chaining could be contentious?
It becomes critically contentious when the rider beside me is cross chained, and I have to listen to the noise.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Neese
Thanks for that - now I get it. Leaving the lockrings and valve caps off is common for racers and the mechanics who service their bikes, so it's just part of the "racer boy" aesthetic.
Alternatively, the lockrings get in the way when you put the valvestem through the rim, so you have to take them off. Then they do nothing useful, so why bother putting them back on? Similarly, you have to take the valve cap off before you can pump up the tube. Then they do nothing useful, so why bother putting THEM back on?
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
My bike storage area is usually in semidarkness. I like using red valve caps or Continental's orange valve caps so I can see where the valve is when I pump my tires. One of the wheelsets came with one red spoke in each wheel, next to the valve. Very nice touch.
Or do what I do - find the colorful logo decal on the rim, and look 180 degrees away.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
It becomes critically contentious when the rider beside me is cross chained, and I have to listen to the noise.
How about if they're cross-chaining AND failed to lube their chain?
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Originally Posted by genejockey
How about if they're cross-chaining AND failed to lube their chain?
I knew I was getting old the day we were on tour, and as we started riding, my daughter asked, "Daddy, why is your chain making that racket?" I replied, "What noise? I don't hear anything unusual!" By the end of the day, I heard it and knew I was starting to lose my hearing.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
How about if they're cross-chaining AND failed to lube their chain?
Now we're into frame-pump-in-the-spokes territory.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Now we're into frame-pump-in-the-spokes territory.
The Italians are coming!
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Alternatively, the lockrings get in the way when you put the valvestem through the rim, so you have to take them off. Then they do nothing useful, so why bother putting them back on? Similarly, you have to take the valve cap off before you can pump up the tube. Then they do nothing useful, so why bother putting THEM back on?
I suppose if I changed a lot of tubes, and if I knew that I'd be changing those tubes in situations where every second mattered, I could see leaving them off. Otherwise, the lockrings secure the stem and make it much easier to attach the pump, and also keep the valve straight. And the cap keeps the valve clean.

When I hear people talk about how much trouble it is to use lockrings and valve caps, it makes me realize that some people change a LOT more tubes than I do. And I'm never in that much of a hurry that I need to save the 2 seconds that it takes.
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It’s not the weight, it’s the drag. All those knurls create little vortices …..

Well, with the caps it is weight … and since they are on the rim they drastically increase Moment of Inertia.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Neese
I suppose if I changed a lot of tubes, and if I knew that I'd be changing those tubes in situations where every second mattered, I could see leaving them off. Otherwise, the lockrings secure the stem and make it much easier to attach the pump, and also keep the valve straight. And the cap keeps the valve clean.

When I hear people talk about how much trouble it is to use lockrings and valve caps, it makes me realize that some people change a LOT more tubes than I do. And I'm never in that much of a hurry that I need to save the 2 seconds that it takes.
The point is, I have valid reasons for doing what I do - taking the lockring and cap off and discarding them. It's not that I'm trying to look like a racerboy. You like them? Great. I won't debate your reasoning, because why would I care what you do? And I wouldn't denigrate you for doing it.

Take a hint.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Neese
I suppose if I changed a lot of tubes, and if I knew that I'd be changing those tubes in situations where every second mattered, I could see leaving them off. Otherwise, the lockrings secure the stem and make it much easier to attach the pump, and also keep the valve straight. And the cap keeps the valve clean.

When I hear people talk about how much trouble it is to use lockrings and valve caps, it makes me realize that some people change a LOT more tubes than I do. And I'm never in that much of a hurry that I need to save the 2 seconds that it takes.
Lockrings rattle while you’re riding. If you tighten them up so they don’t rattle, they can become stuck when the tube deflates. Now you are on the side of the road with a punctured tube you can’t remove. Fail.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Lockrings rattle while you’re riding. If you tighten them up so they don’t rattle, they can become stuck when the tube deflates. Now you are on the side of the road with a punctured tube you can’t remove. Fail.
Never had this happen. The less air in the tire the more play at the valve. I pump up my tires, tighten down the lock rings, and ride ….. as the tube loses air it shrinks and the lock ring is no longer held taut. I could pull up slightly on the stem but I have never needed to
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Never had this happen. The less air in the tire the more play at the valve. I pump up my tires, tighten down the lock rings, and ride ….. as the tube loses air it shrinks and the lock ring is no longer held taut. I could pull up slightly on the stem but I have never needed to
That’s not what happens. When fully inflated, the valve stem is pushed outwards by the internal pressure. When the pressure drops, the stem retreats into the rim. If you tightened the valve nut when fully inflated, it will be even tighter when deflated.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
That’s not what happens. When fully inflated, the valve stem is pushed outwards by the internal pressure. When the pressure drops, the stem retreats into the rim. If you tightened the valve nut when fully inflated, it will be even tighter when deflated.
Never heard of this happening, ever.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Lockrings rattle while you’re riding. If you tighten them up so they don’t rattle, they can become stuck when the tube deflates. Now you are on the side of the road with a punctured tube you can’t remove. Fail.
Never ever had a valve stem nut stuck where is was hard to remove.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Alternatively, the lockrings get in the way when you put the valvestem through the rim, so you have to take them off. Similarly, you have to take the valve cap off before you can pump up the tube.
Wow what a major hardship
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Never ever had a valve stem nut stuck where is was hard to remove.
I have. However, it was with a tubeless tire, and sealant had gunked things up to the point where it wouldn't budge and I was stuck on the side of the road. I had to make the call of shame to Uber. I pay more attention to the cleanliness and proper operation of my nuts now.

With a tubed tire, I leave the nuts and caps off because the reduced rotating weight allows me to fly up hills way fasterer...but mostly because I find them to be completely unnecessary once the tube is installed.
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Originally Posted by pdlamb
I knew I was getting old the day we were on tour, and as we started riding, my daughter asked, "Daddy, why is your chain making that racket?" I replied, "What noise? I don't hear anything unusual!" By the end of the day, I heard it and knew I was starting to lose my hearing.
I was diagnosed as having profound hearing loss about 45 years ago and never seeing anything about it in Bicycling magazine, I had no idea of cross chaining until I got a bike with an 11 speed cassette. I still can't hear it, but the internets let me know it is there.

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Lockrings rattle while you’re riding.
If I'm too hard of hearing to notice and I ride mostly solo, is it really rattling?
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I pay more attention to the cleanliness and proper operation of my nuts now.
Ditto.
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Never heard of this happening, ever.
Same. Not until I read it here.
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Never heard of this happening, ever.
You have now. It happened to me, before I knew better.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
You have now. It happened to me, before I knew better.
Must be weird to be the sole victim of a bizarre problem!
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