Vianelli frame question
#26
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Doubt that Pelizzoli would have built this but you can never be certain unless you share the pix with him and ask. More likely it was contract-built by one of the big contract shops, one of which COULD be the Bonati shop that bought the Ciocc brand and most assuredly was building the few we have seen with "embossed" tubing, tho this is the first I have seen with THAT exact helical pattern, most others (of MANY Brands) were either a straight or "cross-hatched" pattern some have called "wheat sheaf". Also a mystery who did the embossing cause it seems not to be factory-applied by Columbus, Oria or Deda to their tubing. Plus your Vianelli has a Puch 531 fork, so "pre-Bianchi" fork I would say.
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I have sent a message to Vianelli shop, and the frame builder will answer me on Monday, so than we will know the truth.
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Here is another Ciöcc (beautiful):. https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/1985-...ria-ml34-40119
Maybe I'll have a mi****, but I have the feeling that this is a Ciöcc that someone renamed Vianelli.
What is the shape of the cutout on the bottom of the BB shell (középcsapágy-ház)?
Are there three small recesses for the Italian tricolor on the right side of the frame in front of the saddlelug like on the Ciöcc frames (in the links)?
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Interesting! As far as I knew there had never been any admission to crimping the tubes in any of the typical patterns from any of the major tubing suppliers before now. Too bad Oria is out of business cause it's still hearsay... but it would appear the OP's frame could very well be made of Oria tubing. And as Alessandro Caccia says in that "cycleexif" quote: "...should be around ’86 to ’89, from the industrial production when Giovanni sold the brand to Cicli Conti (in Fara Gera d’Adda)" which is to say the Bonati factory that made so many of these post-Pellizzoi frames under many brandnames.
To the OP: Puch brand was acquired by Bianchi in approx 1987, so a fork with Reynolds 531 blades as your Vianelli has was made before that time (the fork only, not the frame). Bianchi-made Puchs would be Columbus, nearly 100% including fork blades.
To the OP: Puch brand was acquired by Bianchi in approx 1987, so a fork with Reynolds 531 blades as your Vianelli has was made before that time (the fork only, not the frame). Bianchi-made Puchs would be Columbus, nearly 100% including fork blades.
#31
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Then there may be a twisted version of the ORIA ML34 tubeset.
Here is another Ciöcc (beautiful):. https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/1985-...ria-ml34-40119
Maybe I'll have a mi****, but I have the feeling that this is a Ciöcc that someone renamed Vianelli.
What is the shape of the cutout on the bottom of the BB shell (középcsapágy-ház)?
Are there three small recesses for the Italian
tricolor on the right side of the frame in front of the saddlelug like on the Ciöcc frames (in the links)?
Here is another Ciöcc (beautiful):. https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/1985-...ria-ml34-40119
Maybe I'll have a mi****, but I have the feeling that this is a Ciöcc that someone renamed Vianelli.
What is the shape of the cutout on the bottom of the BB shell (középcsapágy-ház)?
Are there three small recesses for the Italian
tricolor on the right side of the frame in front of the saddlelug like on the Ciöcc frames (in the links)?
I sent an email to Cicli Pelizzoli, and they answered me. It’s made by Ciöcc in the Conti era for Vianelli. So the painting was made by Vianelli, and the fork was also a Vianelli, but the frame was made by Ciöcc. So now I have the answer. The guy who I wrote is trying to find a Vianelli fork with Olympic shapes on it for me. That fork would be the original one.
#32
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Interesting! As far as I knew there had never been any admission to crimping the tubes in any of the typical patterns from any of the major tubing suppliers before now. Too bad Oria is out of business cause it's still hearsay... but it would appear the OP's frame could very well be made of Oria tubing. And as Alessandro Caccia says in that "cycleexif" quote: "...should be around ’86 to ’89, from the industrial production when Giovanni sold the brand to Cicli Conti (in Fara Gera d’Adda)" which is to say the Bonati factory that made so many of these post-Pellizzoi frames under many brandnames.
To the OP: Puch brand was acquired by Bianchi in approx 1987, so a fork with Reynolds 531 blades as your Vianelli has was made before that time (the fork only, not the frame). Bianchi-made Puchs would be Columbus, nearly 100% including fork blades.
To the OP: Puch brand was acquired by Bianchi in approx 1987, so a fork with Reynolds 531 blades as your Vianelli has was made before that time (the fork only, not the frame). Bianchi-made Puchs would be Columbus, nearly 100% including fork blades.
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Now I have the answer. There is no recesses.
I sent an email to Cicli Pelizzoli, and they answered me. It’s made by Ciöcc in the Conti era for Vianelli. So the painting was made by Vianelli, and the fork was also a Vianelli, but the frame was made by Ciöcc. So now I have the answer. The guy who I wrote is trying to find a Vianelli fork with Olympic shapes on it for me. That fork would be the original one.
I sent an email to Cicli Pelizzoli, and they answered me. It’s made by Ciöcc in the Conti era for Vianelli. So the painting was made by Vianelli, and the fork was also a Vianelli, but the frame was made by Ciöcc. So now I have the answer. The guy who I wrote is trying to find a Vianelli fork with Olympic shapes on it for me. That fork would be the original one.
If you can't find Vianelli fork, I think you can use Ciöcc fork as well. Getting one is a much smaller challenge, (even for the Italian guy). Anyway, I would look around in the Recikli and in the Maxi-bike, there are (were) lying old Italian forks . If you are lucky, there is a Ciöcc among them too, in your size (at a much better price). From here, it’s up to you to decide what and how much you spend on the bike - and what your goal is with it.
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To the photo: Yes, this is Ciöcc cutout.
If you can't find Vianelli fork, I think you can use Ciöcc fork as well. Getting one is a much smaller challenge, (even for the Italian guy). Anyway, I would look around in the Recikli and in the Maxi-bike, there are (were) lying old Italian forks . If you are lucky, there is a Ciöcc among them too, in your size (at a much better price). From here, it’s up to you to decide what and how much you spend on the bike - and what your goal is with it.
If you can't find Vianelli fork, I think you can use Ciöcc fork as well. Getting one is a much smaller challenge, (even for the Italian guy). Anyway, I would look around in the Recikli and in the Maxi-bike, there are (were) lying old Italian forks . If you are lucky, there is a Ciöcc among them too, in your size (at a much better price). From here, it’s up to you to decide what and how much you spend on the bike - and what your goal is with it.
Thanks for helping me, and in the future I’ll write all to you, when I upgrade
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