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I don’t see any point in a CFR version of an endurance bike like this. It’s pretty hard to justify on their race bikes unless you are pro. But I suppose money no object, then why not?
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Heck, no. I would not trust handlebar with extensible tops: Mathieu van der Poel hamstrung by broken handlebars in Le Samyn finale | Cyclingnews.
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Heck, no. I would not trust handlebar with extensible tops: Mathieu van der Poel hamstrung by broken handlebars in Le Samyn finale | Cyclingnews.
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I was comparing these 2 bikes. Size L. I'm sure I'm missing something, but new Stack is LESS than it used to be? I also like the new cockpit where you can at least fine-tune the handlebar width.
Endurace pre 2024
Endurace New 2024
Old:
Stack+ = 708mm
Reach+ = 475mm
New:
Stack+ = 691mm
Reach+ = 472mm
Endurace pre 2024
Endurace New 2024
Old:
Stack+ = 708mm
Reach+ = 475mm
New:
Stack+ = 691mm
Reach+ = 472mm
EDIT: The stem has 1.5 cm of adjustment. Presumably it comes with 1.5 cm of spacers, and you can remove 0.5cm, 1 cm, or 1.5 cm. That means Stack+ could range from 676 mm to 691 mm. Kinda stuck with the same Reach+, though.
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That's not Stack and Reach (BB - HT center vertically and horizontally, respectively). That's Stack+ and Reach+, which is BB - handlebar center, vertically and horizontally. The stem can be adjusted vertically, or replaced (though since it's integrated, with hidden cables, that's a huge pain), so Stack+ and Reach+ aren't fixed values. If you look at Stack and Reach, they're the same, old vs. new.
Domane is interesting reference too. When they first came out with the really low Reach numbers vs. Stack, it sounded dubious. But then you read the component geometry and see that the original handlebars had 100mm of reach (when everyone else was doing 80)
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Such logic is irrefutable. https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/...hat-you-think/
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That's not Stack and Reach (BB - HT center vertically and horizontally, respectively). That's Stack+ and Reach+, which is BB - handlebar center, vertically and horizontally. The stem can be adjusted vertically, or replaced (though since it's integrated, with hidden cables, that's a huge pain), so Stack+ and Reach+ aren't fixed values. If you look at Stack and Reach, they're the same, old vs. new.
EDIT: The stem has 1.5 cm of adjustment. Presumably it comes with 1.5 cm of spacers, and you can remove 0.5cm, 1 cm, or 1.5 cm. That means Stack+ could range from 676 mm to 691 mm. Kinda stuck with the same Reach+, though.
EDIT: The stem has 1.5 cm of adjustment. Presumably it comes with 1.5 cm of spacers, and you can remove 0.5cm, 1 cm, or 1.5 cm. That means Stack+ could range from 676 mm to 691 mm. Kinda stuck with the same Reach+, though.
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Or, the spacers are additive to the 691mm, and so it's 691mm up to 706mm.. which then gets you back to the model that preceded it. Reach actually shortens, right, if you add spacers, as the bars move up toward height of the saddle and toward (since the HT angle angles inwards) the rider.
In any case, I withdraw my objections to The New Hotness, and if I were made of money, much as I lust after the Ultimate CFR or the Aeroad CFR, I'd probably go with the Endurace CFR Di2, for that sweet, sweet Dura Ace kit. And it doesn't hurt that it's lighter, either.
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Am I correct that the only difference between the "Aero" and Standard version are the wheels? I compared the 2 bikes and maybe I'm missing something? Am I paying an additional $1300 for the DT Swiss ERC 1400 wheels?
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Understood. Who cares what the Stack and Reach are if the bike comes with a fixed stem length and angle which is integrated into the handlebar? A shipped as-is new Endurace has a good amount less Stack (as ridden) vs the prior model than everyone is saying. Tempest in a teapot?
Domane is interesting reference too. When they first came out with the really low Reach numbers vs. Stack, it sounded dubious. But then you read the component geometry and see that the original handlebars had 100mm of reach (when everyone else was doing 80)
Domane is interesting reference too. When they first came out with the really low Reach numbers vs. Stack, it sounded dubious. But then you read the component geometry and see that the original handlebars had 100mm of reach (when everyone else was doing 80)
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Hardly. A bit more than 2 degrees less STA on my size will make a huge difference in how the bike feels......on your hands. I would have to run the numbers but one reason I did not buy the last Endurace was what an excessively aggressive forward position on the bike, it was much more aggressive than say a pinarello dogma f, not even a toss up, the Canyon was way, way more aggressive. Seems like they fixed it.
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Hardly. A bit more than 2 degrees less STA on my size will make a huge difference in how the bike feels......on your hands. I would have to run the numbers but one reason I did not buy the last Endurace was what an excessively aggressive forward position on the bike, it was much more aggressive than say a pinarello dogma f, not even a toss up, the Canyon was way, way more aggressive. Seems like they fixed it.
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I think some actual numbers from the actual company would help clarify things in this thread. This is for the new Endurace bike with internal top tube storage, to be clear.
I highlighted the 7 frame measurements that Canyon lists which are typically referenced when discussing how a bike feels.
A size 61 Cannondale SuperSix EVO is almost identical to the new Canyon Endurace CF SLX in XL size. Like .1 deg different tube angle, 5mm wheelbase difference, 2mm reach difference, 12mn stack difference. Those things can all easily be accounted for with basic fitting like sliding the saddle a smidge or removing a steerer spacer.
Maybe I am missing something here, but I really like the geometry of the Endurace that I would ride.
73.3deg HTA, 72.2deg STA, 415mm chainstay, 73mm bb drop, and stack and reach that would be very close to what I currently ride.
I dont know why, but the geometry for a CF SLX is slightly different than a CF. The CF SLX 8 and CF 8 have different top tube lengths, HTA, STA, standover, Stack+, and Reach+. The actual stack and reach measurements are apparently the same still.
Oh, and Canyon continues to not provide the fork offset so you cant figure out trail. Frustrating.
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I think some actual numbers from the actual company would help clarify things in this thread. This is for the new Endurace bike with internal top tube storage, to be clear.
I highlighted the 7 frame measurements that Canyon lists which are typically referenced when discussing how a bike feels.
A size 61 Cannondale SuperSix EVO is almost identical to the new Canyon Endurace CF SLX in XL size. Like .1 deg different tube angle, 5mm wheelbase difference, 2mm reach difference, 12mn stack difference. Those things can all easily be accounted for with basic fitting like sliding the saddle a smidge or removing a steerer spacer.
Maybe I am missing something here, but I really like the geometry of the Endurace that I would ride.
73.3deg HTA, 72.2deg STA, 415mm chainstay, 73mm bb drop, and stack and reach that would be very close to what I currently ride.
I dont know why, but the geometry for a CF SLX is slightly different than a CF. The CF SLX 8 and CF 8 have different top tube lengths, HTA, STA, standover, Stack+, and Reach+. The actual stack and reach measurements are apparently the same still.
Oh, and Canyon continues to not provide the fork offset so you cant figure out trail. Frustrating.
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Slacker STA would be a problem for me. As it is, with the old 73.5 STA, my saddle is clamped at the back of the rails. Mine has a solid seatpost (not the fancy split one)with a fixed setback of 20mm, vs the split one's 25 or 13mm. That might make it hard for me to get the saddle in the right place. My Bianchi has a 72.5 STA, and I have to run a zero setback post.
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The endurace now has a much longer effective top tube because the STA is shallower. This spec is important to me because my upper body is relatively longer than my legs and my arms are longer as well with a 1.05 Ape index. I knew exactly with stem/bar I needed but Canyon would not fit it nor would they take the $400 unit back as credit. There aer websites to allow you to dial your current fit into a new bike. I don't have link off hand
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no. 72 degrees
The endurace now has a much longer effective top tube because the STA is shallower. This spec is important to me because my upper body is relatively longer than my legs and my arms are longer as well with a 1.05 Ape index. I knew exactly with stem/bar I needed but Canyon would not fit it nor would they take the $400 unit back as credit. There aer websites to allow you to dial your current fit into a new bike. I don't have link off hand
The endurace now has a much longer effective top tube because the STA is shallower. This spec is important to me because my upper body is relatively longer than my legs and my arms are longer as well with a 1.05 Ape index. I knew exactly with stem/bar I needed but Canyon would not fit it nor would they take the $400 unit back as credit. There aer websites to allow you to dial your current fit into a new bike. I don't have link off hand
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I don’t see an SL version of the new Endurace. Only SLX and CFR. That really bumps up the price level. The SLX frame adds about £800 over the previous SL with the same component level.
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You mean there used to be 4 different frame levels? CF, SL, SLX and CFR? CF, SLX and CFR are still around. 4 frame levels sounds a bit overkill if that's what they used to have, and that's not including the still existing AL frameset, which would have made 5.
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About 1 year ago I purchased a Endurace CF SL Ultegra Di2 with Powermeter for $4999. The new CF SLX Ultegra Di2 with Powermeter shows as $4199. That's $800 less than what I paid last year.
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But this version has much cheaper alloy wheels. I was comparing like-for-like component spec to mine. I paid £4600 for my CF SL8 etap and the new equivalent (but with SLX frame) is now £5250. Same wheels and same groupset.
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Not a big deal at all and still very competitive compared to other similar bikes.