Any Campy guys building with Ultegra?
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But may thought was that as I get older and change riding styles to more of a slow pace touring that Campy gearing doesn't work for me as well as Shimano.
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As much as I love Campy stuff, it is too hard to get in a rush (always special order) and too high in price (compared to a similar part from Shimano) for me to bother anymore . A Chorus 11s cassette is $120-140USD on Amazon, a 105 cassette is $40. I can get a SRAM 11s chain at the LBS with quick link for $20USD, even Amazon I'll pay $40-60USD.
My Di2 hydro disc group costs less than the Chorus mech disc set.
My Di2 hydro disc group costs less than the Chorus mech disc set.
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There's nothing mystical about steel cogs and plates and rivets. A $20 SRAM chain will shift as nice and last just as long as a Chorus. The 105 cassette on my Di2 rig changes gears as nicely and reliably as my Chorus on my roadie rig....catch being you may die as a result of using anything other than authorized Campag parts--if the manuals are to be taken seriously.
02-16-18, 12:55 PM
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For consumables like chains and cassettes? Yes.
There's nothing mystical about steel cogs and plates and rivets. A $20 SRAM chain will shift as nice and last just as long as a Chorus. The 105 cassette on my Di2 rig changes gears as nicely and reliably as my Chorus on my roadie rig....catch being you may die as a result of using anything other than authorized Campag parts--if the manuals are to be taken seriously.
There's nothing mystical about steel cogs and plates and rivets. A $20 SRAM chain will shift as nice and last just as long as a Chorus. The 105 cassette on my Di2 rig changes gears as nicely and reliably as my Chorus on my roadie rig....catch being you may die as a result of using anything other than authorized Campag parts--if the manuals are to be taken seriously.
They all shift great, but you don't pay more for Dura ace than you do 105 because it changes gears 'nicely', you pay more because it weighs less. Here you need to compare Chorus to at least Ultegra and not 105.
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Chorus 11s ~270g
Ultegra R8000 11s, 243g
And Ultegra costs half as much. 105 weighs in around 280g, AKA 10g more while costing 2/3 as much.
02-16-18, 02:49 PM
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Just a little tidbit from experience, you cannot use Campy 11 speed chains with 1X chainrings with hi/lo teeth. The chains are too narrow to fit the wider teeth.
02-16-18, 02:55 PM
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If one spends more money on exactly the same product, an argument can be made as to one's sensibility. If you're not comparing the same product, it's just a matter of finances. If it all costs the same, which would you have? And if everyone had it, would you still want it? There are a lot of moving parts to this conversation.
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Each of my 10 speed cassette bikes (only 3) are Campy, with interchangeable wheelsets.
Most of my vintage runs Campy friction drivetrains, with exceptions for some allowing smaller cranks/chainrings from VeloOrange.
That said - if I were to buy a new bike, probably electronic shifting, Shimano Ultegra would be a candidate as would others proven on the road. Now when is that offering from FSA??? end of this year, maybe?
Disclaimer: If any new frame Made in Italy (as in, really manufactured there) were to hit my doorstep, it would of necessity have to be built with Italian components. ..... or the Saints of Cycling would reject my Club application in the Afterlife (post-bucket wish list = to dance on the pedals with the Italian greats of the past). Tullio be Blessed. Does the Pope ride Shimano, well heck no - his Colnago is all Italian.
Most of my vintage runs Campy friction drivetrains, with exceptions for some allowing smaller cranks/chainrings from VeloOrange.
That said - if I were to buy a new bike, probably electronic shifting, Shimano Ultegra would be a candidate as would others proven on the road. Now when is that offering from FSA??? end of this year, maybe?
Disclaimer: If any new frame Made in Italy (as in, really manufactured there) were to hit my doorstep, it would of necessity have to be built with Italian components. ..... or the Saints of Cycling would reject my Club application in the Afterlife (post-bucket wish list = to dance on the pedals with the Italian greats of the past). Tullio be Blessed. Does the Pope ride Shimano, well heck no - his Colnago is all Italian.
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For consumables like chains and cassettes? Yes.
There's nothing mystical about steel cogs and plates and rivets. A $20 SRAM chain will shift as nice and last just as long as a Chorus. The 105 cassette on my Di2 rig changes gears as nicely and reliably as my Chorus on my roadie rig....catch being you may die as a result of using anything other than authorized Campag parts--if the manuals are to be taken seriously.
There's nothing mystical about steel cogs and plates and rivets. A $20 SRAM chain will shift as nice and last just as long as a Chorus. The 105 cassette on my Di2 rig changes gears as nicely and reliably as my Chorus on my roadie rig....catch being you may die as a result of using anything other than authorized Campag parts--if the manuals are to be taken seriously.
Connex 11 speed chain test 2018
02-16-18, 08:36 PM
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Where are you getting the weights for those? I find over a dozen numbers for the same thing depending on who is selling it and even the Campy page only lists one weight for an entire range. No way a 11-23 weights the same as a 12-29 in the same product range. But pretty much most Campy cassette numbers are in the 230-250g but not 270g that I found. And sure it’s worse if you are just comparing one cassette to another but it’s not as bad if you campare the price of the entire Campy group to the entire Shimano group.
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What’s the point of comparing a Campy cassette to a Shimano one? You cannot interchange them on the same wheel.
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I prefer the ergonomics of Campy shifters and on some level I suppose I prefer the aesthetics, especially of the cranksets. While I am not at all a fan of four-arm cranks, even the new Campy four-arm cranks look better than the Shimano ones. The three bikes that I ride are all Campy equipped: Chorus 8 sp., Athena 11 sp., Veloce 10 sp. About four years ago I bought a bike with 10 sp. 105, which I felt wasn't as precise as the Campy on the other bikes and I never really liked the fact that the brake lever moves.
All that being said, price counts and I imagine that if I were to build up a new bike today, I would probably go with Ultegra. Even buying imported from the UK, or from Italy with no sales tax (my daughter lives in Italy and they don't levy VAT/IVA on items for export), the difference in price can no longer be justified in my book. I like Campy more, but not enough more to justify the price premium.
All that being said, price counts and I imagine that if I were to build up a new bike today, I would probably go with Ultegra. Even buying imported from the UK, or from Italy with no sales tax (my daughter lives in Italy and they don't levy VAT/IVA on items for export), the difference in price can no longer be justified in my book. I like Campy more, but not enough more to justify the price premium.
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