Burton

OK - no disrespect intended, I just feel like I'm missing something. Having exchanged a few emails with you myself, and having expressed an interest in buying one or more - I think my opinion is probably representative of many perspective clients. The design is good and the initial units apparently proved the concept, but without any actual stock to ship you don't actually have a product - just a design. And your opinion a couple days ago was that once your virtual store was up and running - that you couldn't hope to keep up with the demand. So what's the point in teasing people with posts of this nature? From my point of view there's no difference if something is discontinued, back ordered or still in development. Bottom line is - I can't have it and need to find an alternative. Am I missing something?

10 Wheels

Here is Dave in Bright Sun Light...Brightest Light I have ever seen.

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Werkin

I invited Recumbentracer (DesignShine) to share his knowledge about daytime visibility. I knew from reading the DS blog and a thread on MTBR the product was not available (and out of my price range for now, teased him with my interest), but still felt there was information he could contribute about my daytime be-seen question, and other readers may be interested also.

I'm grateful to everyone's contribution to this thread, thanks all!

Recumbentracer's insight on duty cycle has me reconsidering my preferred rapid flash mode for the rear light.




If you have an opportunity, take photos from a greater distance in the daylight.

Recumbentracer

Sorry guys, no tease intended. I should have been more clear that these lights are more like the "experimental aircraft" version of bike lights. Very high quality, lots of attention to detail, but not readily available. Since my inspiration for these light came out of a desire for better daytime visibility, it seemed like the right place to put out just some basic info. I appreciate the opportunity to highlight the design, which will eventually turn into real hardware, hopefully later this month. I maintain the Build Blog so that people can keep up with my progress (or lack thereof), and I figure those that are really interested won't mind waiting a bit to try them out. But you're right on both counts, if you need something now, these are definitely not it. And since I'm only making about 35+ headlights in the current batch, they won't last long. However, I can't tell you how many good business contacts I've made through forums like this. There may be a future option for really ramping up production based on conversations that I've had a with a few folks, but it's a real financing issue at the moment. Doing a market "test" like this with smaller quantities definitely helps me determine if there may be larger market potential. Trying to compete in this market with all the, how shall we say, non-US-based product is not for the faint of heart. The product needs to be compellingly good and highly functional, but even that may not be enough.

One other aspect of daytime running lights that's fairly important is the beam width. So for best effectiveness, you should try to get the widest angle beam that you can. Of course, the more you spread the light, the more power you need, so there's a bit of a trade there. I would point out that on the new DS-1300 design, you can easily swap out lenses and use two ellipticals if you're primarily running in the daytime. The coverage then becomes very similar to the lights that you see on EMS vehicles, only a good bit brighter.

Thanks for the invite to the forum... great topic.

trek2.3bike

For daylight riding, I use a Night Rider 600 on strobe.

https://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?IGPK=2126183534

cehowardGS

Basically, that is what I have been trying to say all along in all my posts. Most of the time, I get flak from people saying that bike lights blind other drivers. I would say that is a discomfort at the most. However, what you have stated should be paramount. Because the end result of not being seen can be very bad for the bicycle rider. That is why I put "being seen" as #1 priority!!

rfomenko

And I do not know how you can blind someone during the day...

Nachoman

That's my next light. Right now I'm using an older DiNotte that puts out about 200 lumen and a fenix strapped on the helmet, on a 215 lumen strobe. They're pretty good for night time but hard to see during the day.

cehowardGS

Sheesh, you haven't run into the LIGHT POLICE yet!!!

Werkin

DiNotte has a new 400A be-seen head lamp model. Dual quad amber LEDs with updated circuitry. It doesn't seem to be as glaringly intense to my eye as the new daytime only 400R Red, but plenty attention grabbing just the same.

hhnngg1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...F8&me=&seller=

Yes, it's as ridiculously bright as it claims it is.

/endthread.

Burton

Just for laughs - could you translate this quote from that link of yours into plain English please?

tdister

Really? I've got a buddy I regularly come upon riding who has, I believe, a 150 lumen light on strobe and it's anything but hard to see. Not trying to start a debate (hard to argue that a 600 wouldn't be more noticeable) but, to those of you on a budget or counting every gram, don't discount the effectiveness of a 150-300 lumen strobing daytime headlight.

Looigi

For low duty cycles (10%) , LEDs can be pulsed up the 3X the max steady state current so are capable of being much brighter in flash mode. Whether they are or not depends on if the driving circuit is doing that.

With my 2W Planet Bike headlight in flash mode, I've had oncoming cars flash their highbeams at me at dusk and on heavy overcast days. I don't know if they were just being friendly, or complaining about the brightness of the light.