Six jours

When someone finds a $22 tire with which he is satisfied, I usually tell him to stay away from the $75+ tires. I've known several people who's lives were ruined when they discovered how much they enjoyed $200 worth of bicycle tires - "I can't ride cheap tires now that I know what I'm missing, and I can't afford to wear out expensive tires. Guess I'll take up jogging."

Peugeotlover

https://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum...aix-26594.html

On the forum (for this link) a member lists the bike teams and the various tires the pros used for the 2012 Paris-Roubaix Bicycle Race.

It is interesting to read the tire pressures that were used- much lower then one might expect.

[Nobody was running Servizio Corse ]

iab

^^^

That seems about right for pressure. On my 27mm tubulars I run about 80 front/90 rear. But i'm 185. Those guys are 140/150.

63_dorinte

I came back to tubulars this year after swearing them off around 1989. It was mostly a "period correct" thing for one bike, now it has spread though only to older (pre-1990) bikes.

Back in the 1980s I thought I was getting "cheap" tires that cost ~$30-40, all Wolber or Clement, don't remember which models. Also don't remember having any quality issues with them.

The first tires I got this year, Challenge Criterium, were awfully lumpy, just unrideable. They are now carried as spares since they do at least hold air. I have had better luck with the older Vittoria Formula Uno and Nuovo Pro, and Wolber Team. Are there any new manufacture tires that are at least consistent? I don't mind paying for good tires, if what I can expect to get is actually good. Any comments on the Continental Competition?

Dawes-man

After using cheap tubulars for a couple of years I was persuaded (was it by RoadFan?? Thank you, whoever it was!) to try some better quality ones.

I'd tried Vittoria Rally (lumpy around the valve and hard to get on the rim straight), Soyo Pro-fessional (started separating from the backing tape and the sidewall frayed after a month or so) and Gommitalia Champions (not bad... until the back one developed a blister that touched the chain stay as the wheel went round after maybe 6 months of use) and decided to get some Veloflex Arenbergs. I would have got their Roubaix but Wiggle in the UK (the cheapest way to get them here in Japan- 3 for the price of 2, even after shipping - yes! $150 for 1 in Japan, $293 for 3 from Wiggle) only had the Arenbergs. I also wanted 25mm.

The first thing I noticed, when I put a couple on rims to stretch them, was how much neater the construction was - they just oozed quality in comparison with what I was used to. Then, weeks later when I fitted one, how easy it was to get it straight onto the rim. It was almost as if I couldn't get it on crooked even if I tried, it seemed to just naturally want to sit straight. In fact, it took me a few minutes to realise that the checking side-against-side I was so used to doing was unnecessary. No bulge at the valve, either.

This is probably sacrilege but I fitted just one to the back of my Hetchins to replace the burst Gommitalia... in a hurry and all that - but even at 8bar it feels far more pliant/absorbent of shocks than the others. It's just more comfortable, although that could be partly due to the 25 mm width against the 22mm that I'm used to. I can't speak to how it handles as I still have the Gommitalia on the front but I expect it will be better due to its rounder shape.

Putting air in is easier. Something I've found with the Vittoria, Soyo and Gommitalia valves is that they stick shut, with the Vittorias being worst. Every time I put air in them, I have to put all my weight on the pump, and even bounce up and down sometimes, before the valves will open and allow air to pass. The Veloflex doesn't do this.

My only small complaint is how quickly the tyre loses air. The Gommitalia needs air adding once a week, or 10 days, but the Veloflex needs air almost every day, certainly every other day. I wonder if this is normal? Would the Roubaix be any better? I say it's only a small complaint as I've quickly got used to putting in air more often. It's already part of the routine.

To sum up, I can confidently say that I will NEVER buy another cheap tubular.

Peugeotlover

In the link in post #602, above, three of the racing teams listed Continental Competition as their tire of chose. Click the link.

gomango

Veloflex Roubaix alert.

I've been watching for these since iab's recommendation.

Just noticed that Westernbikeworks had them for 25% off today if the order totaled over $250.

I just order three and it looks like they are going to run me less than $80 per tire.

Not too shabby.

https://www.westernbikeworks.com/prod...ular-road-tire




Oh, they also had a great price on the Veloflex Master 23 clincher.

I order another pair for under $37 per tire.

That's a lot of very nice tire for the money.

Marezz

Hey guys, Im looking for a budget tubulars, not many models to choose here: Vittoria Rally ~31$, Schwalbe Montello ~34$, Tufo S33 Pro ~34$, Ritchey Race slick ~38$, Continental Giro ~38$. Has anyone used these tires maybe? Which one would be a best choice?

smontanaro 

I've only had one ride on mine so far, but the Schwalbe Milano seems to fit in that category. Priced in the $30-$40 range. I also have the Tufos on my Masi and like them. They don't look right on a vintage bike imho - all black. The Milanos at least have tan sidewalls.

1 Lugnut

Yellow Jersey - 3 for $50 / Pretty decent tubular at a great price. Don't know much about shipping to Serbia though...?

Chombi

Yes, Veloflex tubs on one of my wheelset seem to lose the most air per day than all of my other other tires. I have to pump up the Veloflex Criteriums pretty much every day. I guess it's pretty normal for Veloflexs tubs....

Chombi

Marezz

Wow, that's a great price! What about the quality? I'm not sure they ship to Serbia though, and even if they do, I don't know if it would pass the customs without taxes etc... Also, we don't have PayPal in Serbia so I'm quite limited with the paying method

@Everyone; Anyone used those tubulars I mentioned in my previous post? Your experience? Tire performance?

EDIT: Oh and how would above listed tubulars perform on a 40C+ in the summer? Last time I rode bike with my friends it was a longer ride around 130km, on the open so we were always under the sun Would the tubulars and the glue hold their ground on such rides?

sced

Good deal on Giros at PBK

https://www.probikekit.com/us/tyres-t...road-tyre.html

I've also used the Yellow Jersey and Ralleys, and have had the best luck with the Giros.

madscrambler

I have recently tried Contact Cement (DAP) AKA rubber cement to glue my tubular tires. Don't laugh many times I have gone to LBS and found they are out! Just road around Clear Lake CA (65 miles) with a set of wheels glued this way. I still buy tubes of glue to carry while riding to repair a flat.

gaucho777 

That's a really bad idea. Tires will stay on even with no glue, just not very well. Just because you made if around Clear Lake doesn't mean you aren't asking to roll a tire. I see you are in Berkeley. You can get tubular glue at Mike's Bikes. Most of the time Mike's is more expensive that Missing Link, but for whatever reason Mike's price on tubular glue is better. They ordered some for me last time they were out.

It's very hard to keep upright once you roll a tire, and you may just slide out under a car.

P.s. I also suspect that rubber cement is more prone to change in viscosity due to heat (for instance, from rims on a long, winding descent).

Bianchigirll 

I should know what 40c is but I think it is right around 100F? Usually unless your storing you tubulars in the car on hot days or heavy breaking on long steep downhills, the glue getting soft isn't an issue.

I am not sure if Yellow Jersey ships to Serbia, I am actually suprised you can't find lower cost tires.

noglider 

Ask the google.

gaucho777 

Or just remember F = (9/5 x C) +32 and C = 5/9 (F-32). The "32" part should be easy to remember since 32-degrees is the freezing point.

Bianchigirll 

AH according to NOAA it is 104 so I was darn close.
https://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm

You would think after 2 months of flying in So West Asia I would know that. But after the first week I didn't care 120+ is hot it doesn really matter if it is 118 or 121. I just do it the easy way Cx2+32 -somewhere between 2 and 10 depending on how hot or cold it is.

gaucho777 

Actually, I didn't remember my formula correctly! I had to go back and edit/correct the formula. 40c = 104F. Guess it's not so easy to remember. Like Tom says, ask the google.

Six jours

You've already been spanked for the contact cement idea so I'll take you to task for the rest: Most tubular glues take 12-24 hours to cure completely. While wet, glue is essentially a lubricant, which is an even worse idea than contact cement.

Short version: add a layer of glue to your spare and let it dry completely. Then when you need it on the road, just install it "dry". The dried glue on the tire will adhere (a little bit) to the dried glue on the rim, making it a little bit better than nothing, and a whole hell of a lot better than wet glue.

Six jours

Having said that, BTW, I'll take some of it back: I have no idea whether contact cement is a good idea here, because I've never tried it and don't know anyone who has. I do know that some contact cements can provide a pretty impressive bond, so maybe it's actually a good idea. Whether it works for this exact application, though, I just can't say.

madscrambler

Thanks for the response to my suggestion on the contact cement I used to mount my tubulars. I went to Dap Weldwood web site and reviewed their Tech doc: https://www.dap.com/docs/tech/00030202.pdf. It made me much more comfortable with my use of this adhesive in this application. It's "service Temp" is something like -20 to 150 degrees! That should be a safe temp range for even very brisk and long breaking descents. It is resistant to chemicals, solvents and moisture bonding fabric and metal. I will be testing it's use this year.

caloso

I'm all for saving some dough using non-cycling specific products (such as as Mechanix gloves and Pyramix safety glasses), but if there's any application where I'll pay the bike-specific premium, it's tubular glue.



The price of failure is just too high for me.

Six jours

Back when I was trying to go as fast as possible in the mountains, I often found that my rims would end up too hot to touch. That's more than 150 degrees, I am sure.

But I also remember when FasTak was first being used. Plenty of folks predicted fatal results, and ended up being wrong. So maybe contact cement will be the next Big Thing, if there are any Big Things left in the world of tubulars. I personally am in Caloso's camp: I'm happy to let someone else do the beta testing WRT tubular glue. If you live, I hope you'll provide a full report.