Locking Skewers (Wheels/Seat)
11-05-13, 10:37 AM
#51
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It all depends on where you live. In NYC bikes get stripped down for parts in the blink an eye, quick release or no quick release.
The bolts that most bikes have can be removed in about ten seconds with a basic wrench. Check out the NYC Craigslist. A used wheel easily fetches $50-$80. Also, sometimes people new to biking will only lock their front wheel. A thief detaches the front wheel and takes the rest of the bike. Now all he has to do is steal someone else's front wheel and he can sell a complete bike.
Here in DC there's a bike in front of my apartment that had the seat and wheel stolen. A bike in the back had the seat removed (not the seat post, just the crappy saddle that sells new for only $20). I can walk one block in any direction and find bikes stripped down to the frame.
Now, back to my question two posts back. What makes the wheels of Dutch bikes so difficult to remove?
The bolts that most bikes have can be removed in about ten seconds with a basic wrench. Check out the NYC Craigslist. A used wheel easily fetches $50-$80. Also, sometimes people new to biking will only lock their front wheel. A thief detaches the front wheel and takes the rest of the bike. Now all he has to do is steal someone else's front wheel and he can sell a complete bike.
Here in DC there's a bike in front of my apartment that had the seat and wheel stolen. A bike in the back had the seat removed (not the seat post, just the crappy saddle that sells new for only $20). I can walk one block in any direction and find bikes stripped down to the frame.
Now, back to my question two posts back. What makes the wheels of Dutch bikes so difficult to remove?
Have you been to the netherlands, why would you a bicycle wheel from any of these bikes?
11-05-13, 10:48 AM
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the other question is what does one do with a stolen wheel?
i mean a brand new wheel with a hub dynamo is less than €40/wheel ... i'm just curious where the market for stolen wheels would exist?
https://www.amazon.de/Fahrrad-Laufrad...rds=fahrradrad
i mean a brand new wheel with a hub dynamo is less than €40/wheel ... i'm just curious where the market for stolen wheels would exist?
https://www.amazon.de/Fahrrad-Laufrad...rds=fahrradrad
11-05-13, 10:54 AM
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The only reason I'm asking is because I'd like to purchase a bike and still have my wheels a month after purchasing the bike. And I find it a hassle to have to lock both the front wheel and rear wheel.
11-05-13, 10:56 AM
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Can the "bolted on" wheels of Dutch bikes be removed in 10-20 seconds the way they can in the US? If not, what's the difference? Different type of bolt? Is it time consuming to remove the chain case? Do the Dutch lock their wheels? I know the rear wheels often have a built in lock which is quite practical. Do they lock the front wheel to the frame?
The only reason I'm asking is because I'd like to purchase a bike and still have my wheels a month after purchasing the bike. And I find it a hassle to have to lock both the front wheel and rear wheel.
The only reason I'm asking is because I'd like to purchase a bike and still have my wheels a month after purchasing the bike. And I find it a hassle to have to lock both the front wheel and rear wheel.
1. how do I lock my rear wheel?
https://www.amazon.com/Defender-RL-Bi...s=axa+defender
2. how do I lock my front wheel?
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...s%2Ck%3Au-lock
through wheel frame and post
11-05-13, 10:58 AM
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Can the "bolted on" wheels of Dutch bikes be removed in 10-20 seconds the way they can in the US? If not, what's the difference? Different type of bolt? Is it time consuming to remove the chain case? Do the Dutch lock their wheels? I know the rear wheels often have a built in lock which is quite practical. Do they lock the front wheel to the frame?
The only reason I'm asking is because I'd like to purchase a bike and still have my wheels a month after purchasing the bike. And I find it a hassle to have to lock both the front wheel and rear wheel.
The only reason I'm asking is because I'd like to purchase a bike and still have my wheels a month after purchasing the bike. And I find it a hassle to have to lock both the front wheel and rear wheel.
people don't steal wheels in general because most people are decent human beings and the druggies don't care because there is no used wheel market as new wheels with dynamos are less than €50 installed (front).
Last edited by acidfast7; 11-05-13 at 11:06 AM.
11-05-13, 11:08 AM
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the whole bikes may get stolen, but not strippage. the return on the parts is too low.
actually, i would wager it's more like to see a whole bike rack with bikes taken out of the ground and loaded into a truck than it is to have a bike stripped.
all bikes are fully insured and the insurance companies always pay full price (almost) so no one really cares.
11-05-13, 11:25 AM
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locked up my specialized Expeditipn to take a pee on the Loo across from Tivoli. in '91.
someone rode off as soon as I re appeared having removed the center bolts holding my brakes on.
so I had to go buy new bolts ..
good thing I Didnt stay longer than a quick whizz./.. you got your variation on truthieness,
I speak from personal experience.
someone rode off as soon as I re appeared having removed the center bolts holding my brakes on.
so I had to go buy new bolts ..
good thing I Didnt stay longer than a quick whizz./.. you got your variation on truthieness,
I speak from personal experience.
11-05-13, 11:30 AM
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locked up my specialized Expeditipn to take a pee on the Loo across from Tivoli. in '91.
someone rode off as soon as I re appeared having removed the center bolts holding my brakes on.
so I had to go buy new bolts ..
good thing I Didnt stay longer than a quick whizz./.. you got your variation on truthieness,
I speak from personal experience.
someone rode off as soon as I re appeared having removed the center bolts holding my brakes on.
so I had to go buy new bolts ..
good thing I Didnt stay longer than a quick whizz./.. you got your variation on truthieness,
I speak from personal experience.
That area has one of the highest densities of people in the whole city. Shoulda went out to Christiania and saw some nice bikes
To be fair, I do live in CPH currently between 10 and 18 days/month but in a nice area, so I do have a lot of experience. I lock my city bike in front of my flat in Gråbrødretorv and the only complaint I have is when the shopkeepers get pissed if I get up late on the weekend and the bike blocks their shop window
11-07-13, 10:50 AM
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the other question is what does one do with a stolen wheel?
i mean a brand new wheel with a hub dynamo is less than €40/wheel ... i'm just curious where the market for stolen wheels would exist?
https://www.amazon.de/Fahrrad-Laufrad...rds=fahrradrad
i mean a brand new wheel with a hub dynamo is less than €40/wheel ... i'm just curious where the market for stolen wheels would exist?
https://www.amazon.de/Fahrrad-Laufrad...rds=fahrradrad
1. A new wheel, including a tire a tube, can easily run $125 from a bike shop in the USA. It appears that wheels in Denmark are much cheaper. This is the reason why thieves can sell stolen wheels for $50+. There is a big market for used wheels in the US.
2. In US cities people are so paranoid about theft, of entire bikes as wells as theft of wheels and seats, that they tend to bring their bikes indoors all the time. This paranoia is justified as many of these people have already had wheels stolen or vandalized. For most city residents this means carrying the bike up several stairs. People then try to find a bike as light as possible to facilitate carrying up stairs. Part of making a bike lightweight is having narrow tires. Generic, low-cost narrow tires get flats very easily, so people end up dishing out $50+ PER TIRE (not including the wheel) for high quality flat-resistant tires.
3. The welded on locks for rear wheels are a rarity in the US. I can't remember the last time I saw one. I haven't even seen a single bike shop that sells this as an add-on item.
4. Few people in the US have insurance on their bikes. Such policies are not common nor well-known. They also involve lots of paperwork, hassles and deductibles.
5. Bikes are manufactured to have easily removable wheels in the US. Many bikes sold in cities come with quick-release wheels (go figure!). Even the ones that have bolt-on wheels are highly prone to having the wheels stolen. The wheels can be removed in 10-20 seconds with a wrench.
I'd be very, very curious to hear input from someone who has lived in both Copenhagen and NYC (or another US city) to hear first-hand how they dealt with theft of wheels in the US.
11-07-13, 11:03 AM
#61
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I'm going to break down the differences between bikes in Denmark and bikes in the USA to explain why so many wheels get stolen in USA cities.
1. A new wheel, including a tire a tube, can easily run $125 from a bike shop in the USA. It appears that wheels in Denmark are much cheaper. This is the reason why thieves can sell stolen wheels for $50+. There is a big market for used wheels in the US.
2. In US cities people are so paranoid about theft, of entire bikes as wells as theft of wheels and seats, that they tend to bring their bikes indoors all the time. This paranoia is justified as many of these people have already had wheels stolen or vandalized. For most city residents this means carrying the bike up several stairs. People then try to find a bike as light as possible to facilitate carrying up stairs. Part of making a bike lightweight is having narrow tires. Generic, low-cost narrow tires get flats very easily, so people end up dishing out $50+ PER TIRE (not including the wheel) for high quality flat-resistant tires.
3. The welded on locks for rear wheels are a rarity in the US. I can't remember the last time I saw one. I haven't even seen a single bike shop that sells this as an add-on item.
4. Few people in the US have insurance on their bikes. Such policies are not common nor well-known. They also involve lots of paperwork, hassles and deductibles.
5. Bikes are manufactured to have easily removable wheels in the US. Many bikes sold in cities come with quick-release wheels (go figure!). Even the ones that have bolt-on wheels are highly prone to having the wheels stolen. The wheels can be removed in 10-20 seconds with a wrench.
I'd be very, very curious to hear input from someone who has lived in both Copenhagen and NYC (or another US city) to hear first-hand how they dealt with theft of wheels in the US.
1. A new wheel, including a tire a tube, can easily run $125 from a bike shop in the USA. It appears that wheels in Denmark are much cheaper. This is the reason why thieves can sell stolen wheels for $50+. There is a big market for used wheels in the US.
2. In US cities people are so paranoid about theft, of entire bikes as wells as theft of wheels and seats, that they tend to bring their bikes indoors all the time. This paranoia is justified as many of these people have already had wheels stolen or vandalized. For most city residents this means carrying the bike up several stairs. People then try to find a bike as light as possible to facilitate carrying up stairs. Part of making a bike lightweight is having narrow tires. Generic, low-cost narrow tires get flats very easily, so people end up dishing out $50+ PER TIRE (not including the wheel) for high quality flat-resistant tires.
3. The welded on locks for rear wheels are a rarity in the US. I can't remember the last time I saw one. I haven't even seen a single bike shop that sells this as an add-on item.
4. Few people in the US have insurance on their bikes. Such policies are not common nor well-known. They also involve lots of paperwork, hassles and deductibles.
5. Bikes are manufactured to have easily removable wheels in the US. Many bikes sold in cities come with quick-release wheels (go figure!). Even the ones that have bolt-on wheels are highly prone to having the wheels stolen. The wheels can be removed in 10-20 seconds with a wrench.
I'd be very, very curious to hear input from someone who has lived in both Copenhagen and NYC (or another US city) to hear first-hand how they dealt with theft of wheels in the US.
I was responding to your question about why Dutch wheels never get stolen.
I did, however, make the assumption that Amsterdam and Copenhagen are similar, which I think is valid.
No need to respond to me, I was simply answering your initial question and I remain unsure why you feel the need to justify wheel theft in the US. I lived there, in major cities, and understand the difference.
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11-07-13, 02:16 PM
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My goal is to find a way for people to walk into any bike shop, here in the US, and walk out with a bike that is designed to withstand theft, including theft of components. Currently one must customize the heck out of a bike to make it suitable for making frequent trips in a city. Not only are the wheels and seat easily removable, but hardly any bikes come with basic things such as chain guards and fenders.
Many, many people have stopped biking because they know they can't leave a bike outdoors and they don't have a convenient place indoors to store the bike.
Many, many people have stopped biking because they know they can't leave a bike outdoors and they don't have a convenient place indoors to store the bike.
11-07-13, 02:44 PM
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Your classic Dutch roadster has a full chaincase, 3 speed connections, might have a roller or drum brake in the rear, and fenders... they just don't pop in and out. Front wheels are equipped with dynohubs which are a little pricier than your average wheel.
Bike theft is a serious issue in the Netherlands, many bikes come with relatively inexpensive rear ring locks to secure the rear wheel which also immobilizes it.
11-07-13, 04:18 PM
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My goal is to find a way for people to walk into any bike shop, here in the US, and walk out with a bike that is designed to withstand theft, including theft of components. Currently one must customize the heck out of a bike to make it suitable for making frequent trips in a city. Not only are the wheels and seat easily removable, but hardly any bikes come with basic things such as chain guards and fenders.
one of them 'Job Creators'?
11-07-13, 05:31 PM
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U lock and cable will secure your frame and both wheels,and you can still pull your rear wheel in less than a minute to fix a flat.
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11-07-13, 06:51 PM
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/26-inch-whee...eed+rear+wheel
£59.95
I linked this one because it is in English ... cheaper wheels with a Nexus 3 are in German language.
11-07-13, 06:55 PM
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My goal is to find a way for people to walk into any bike shop, here in the US, and walk out with a bike that is designed to withstand theft, including theft of components. Currently one must customize the heck out of a bike to make it suitable for making frequent trips in a city. Not only are the wheels and seat easily removable, but hardly any bikes come with basic things such as chain guards and fenders.
Many, many people have stopped biking because they know they can't leave a bike outdoors and they don't have a convenient place indoors to store the bike.
Many, many people have stopped biking because they know they can't leave a bike outdoors and they don't have a convenient place indoors to store the bike.
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this is a very circular conversation driver by your inability to articulate?
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