Why Expensive Commuter bikes?
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If a commuter bike is ones primary transportation for work and saves you from buying a 2'nd recent model car for $10,000+ that might costs another $300 - 400 a month to operate and insure, I Don't consider $1,000 - 2,000 US (with accessories) and just $10/month for maintenance to be excessive for a new bike.
A bit more then I would spend though considering you don't have, at least from Giant if you want a safe, Reliable and comfortable new bike...
A bit more then I would spend though considering you don't have, at least from Giant if you want a safe, Reliable and comfortable new bike...
I’m a month old new commuter green as grass .56 haven’t biked sense 7gd dirt bike.
Been a track & football coach 30yrs .seen kid buy shoes and equipment looking for performance.great gains only come to those with great talent and potential, but most proud of those with great determination and desire.i’ve seen new thing motivate those individuals in-spite of ability work harder and become the best they can be, surprising them selves and other .
So if you can afford it and it motivates you to work harder do it …
So, here’s one way to think about the price you pay; you get a discount the more you ride:
I posted earlier on this thread about my $8K MSRP (bought half off):
Been a track & football coach 30yrs .seen kid buy shoes and equipment looking for performance.great gains only come to those with great talent and potential, but most proud of those with great determination and desire.i’ve seen new thing motivate those individuals in-spite of ability work harder and become the best they can be, surprising them selves and other .
So if you can afford it and it motivates you to work harder do it …
I'm with you on this. If new shiny things encourage us to work more often and work harder then that counts for something.
And just maybe that new shiny thing will be slightly more efficient and create gains on it's own if we are lucky. I'm now just waiting on my new Bianchi Infinito to arrive. Can't wait.
Best of luck to you! I'm sure you will make some positive change happen.
And just maybe that new shiny thing will be slightly more efficient and create gains on it's own if we are lucky. I'm now just waiting on my new Bianchi Infinito to arrive. Can't wait.
Best of luck to you! I'm sure you will make some positive change happen.
“My new $7,000 bike and the futility of justifying the price to the average person.”
Some riders ride a lot.
It's easy to ride 250 hours a year, and not unusual to ride 400 hours or more. That's 1250 to 2000 hours over 5 years.
Bike consumables, including tires, chains, cassettes, cables, and bar tape add up. And shorts, gloves, energy bars, event rides, and other bike related items. It's easy for these to add up to at least $100 per year, and more likely $200 or $300. That's $500 to $1500 over 5 years.
So an expensive bike's cost seems more reasonable over time. A $7000 bike ridden 2000 hours is $3.50 an hour. A $2000 bike is $1.00 an hour. So that doesn't sound so bad. Although cost per mile does seem high. At 15 mph average, 30,000 miles, the $7000 bike is 23 cents a mile.
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I think that a bike that's double what "I" paid (whatever the amount!) is often the point where the bike seems excessively expensive. One that's 30% or 50% higher kind of makes sense as a "nice bike".
Some riders ride a lot.
It's easy to ride 250 hours a year, and not unusual to ride 400 hours or more. That's 1250 to 2000 hours over 5 years.
Bike consumables, including tires, chains, cassettes, cables, and bar tape add up. And shorts, gloves, energy bars, event rides, and other bike related items. It's easy for these to add up to at least $100 per year, and more likely $200 or $300. That's $500 to $1500 over 5 years.
So an expensive bike's cost seems more reasonable over time. A $7000 bike ridden 2000 hours is $3.50 an hour. A $2000 bike is $1.00 an hour. So that doesn't sound so bad. Although cost per mile does seem high. At 15 mph average, 30,000 miles, the $7000 bike is 23 cents a mile.
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I think that a bike that's double what "I" paid (whatever the amount!) is often the point where the bike seems excessively expensive. One that's 30% or 50% higher kind of makes sense as a "nice bike".
…My average speed stayed the same, but I think I was hampered by injuries from the accident, and I believe the new bike compensated at least to maintain my average speed. I did note that I was more inclined to sprint (successfully) to beat traffic lights before they turned red.
I further craved the smoothness of the ride, including the shifting,making cycle-commuting more pleasurable. Of greatest benefit, while long (greater than 40 mile) rides took the same amount of time as before, I felt much less tired at the end.
I further craved the smoothness of the ride, including the shifting,making cycle-commuting more pleasurable. Of greatest benefit, while long (greater than 40 mile) rides took the same amount of time as before, I felt much less tired at the end.
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Maybe someone has already answered with this accounting reason - here goes:
I ride quite a distance every year on my bike commuting. Multiplying these miles times the cost of driving the same distance has allowed me to amortize my bike over the last couple of years.
I ride quite a distance every year on my bike commuting. Multiplying these miles times the cost of driving the same distance has allowed me to amortize my bike over the last couple of years.
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This is a great thread. I just found myself wondering whether I’d feel differently about it had I paid nothing for my bikes, like if they were gifted to me would I tell anybody? Lot of social pressure to have “the best of the best”, “no expense spared”, “no compromise”, etc etc etc.
But honestly, if you ride a bike at all, you’re a dork. A big old dork.
“ ... take my commute to the next level ...” has to be near the top of the dorkiest things I’ve ever heard a bike dork say. I may have said it, too.
But honestly, if you ride a bike at all, you’re a dork. A big old dork.
“ ... take my commute to the next level ...” has to be near the top of the dorkiest things I’ve ever heard a bike dork say. I may have said it, too.
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After they walk past the security guard, go in through a key card door, up an elevator, walk through the garage, and into the bike room through a second keycard door, sure. And you’d have to carry it on to the elevator or down the stairs with the u-lock through the rear wheel and triangle.
I suppose it’s possible, but not likely.
I suppose it’s possible, but not likely.
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The way I see it a decent new accessorized commuter bike can be had for $1,000 to 1,500 US. If price is a problem do what car buyers do, Buy used. Probably for $100 - 300 after some tweaks would get a perfectly usable bike for commuting. In much the same way a new midrange CUV like the Chey Equinox might set you back $25,000 US. For $2,500 - 5,000 you might find a used car to suit your purpose.
If you think new bike's are expensive, Try buying a new family cabin cruiser. $250,000+ will get a nice one, But nothing special. I could have bought my friends 29' Wellcraft SunCruiser for $5,000, Put $5,000 into it and had a beautiful, Reliable family cruiser. If it wasn't for that small detail of feeding those 2 x 5.7L 260 hp MerCruiser engines.
The $1,200 one might spend on fuel alone for ONE weekend would buy a very nice fully accessorized commuting bike.
If you think new bike's are expensive, Try buying a new family cabin cruiser. $250,000+ will get a nice one, But nothing special. I could have bought my friends 29' Wellcraft SunCruiser for $5,000, Put $5,000 into it and had a beautiful, Reliable family cruiser. If it wasn't for that small detail of feeding those 2 x 5.7L 260 hp MerCruiser engines.
The $1,200 one might spend on fuel alone for ONE weekend would buy a very nice fully accessorized commuting bike.
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My late step-father built his own recumbent for commuting to the US Dept. of State (he was a Foreign Service Officer). It was an EZ-Racer, like that shown below (only his was Yellow. He bought the aerospace Cromoly from Aircraft Spruce and had the things welded). One advantage: I don't think thieves know what to make of these things. Certainly harder to get rid of as the market is smaller.
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That said, a bike that expensive out in the open air. It's like tying a pork chop around your kids neck to get the dog to play with him: It's gonna attract a lot of attention.
*From a series of "You're so ugly/your momma" jokes: "Your so ugly your momma had to tie a pork chop around your neck to get the dog to play with you".
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When I commuted I had nice bikes because I had secure parking at each end and I rode what I already owned. Why spend more money to suffer on a cheap beater when I could ride something light fast and comfortable that I had already paid for. My bike commute budget went to better gear and running costs since I used up some chains, tires and brakes.
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I'll assume that by commuter, OP is really talking about flat bar/hybrids.
I think someone riding a Wally World bike would say the same to the OP that he is saying to people spending $2k on flat bars.
That said, I personally think there is a price point beyond which a general purpose/hybrid/flat bar/commuter bike just doesn't make much sense, and that is a price point - to me - of somewhere around $800, maybe $1000 at absolute most - usually at the higher end of the alloy spectrum before the carbon switchover. I have a $2500 road bike and an $800 alloy hybrid, and the hybrid is just at such an absolute sweet spot in terms of weight/performance/quality/reliability/price for its purpose - I couldn't be happier with that bike and what I spent on it (think I actually paid $690 on sale). With it's 9 speed Alivio/Acera/Altus drivetrain, it's honestly really nice to ride, and there isn't really a noticeable difference in smoothness or reliability than there is with my full 5800 105 road bike - they both do the job so well.
And to play devil's advocate, I after having my middle of the road hybrid, I don't think I could go down to the bottom-end $450-$500 LBS bike like a very base Sirrus with 7 or 8 speeds; so I suppose someone on a $2k flat bar would say the same about my hybrid, so it's all relative.
I think someone riding a Wally World bike would say the same to the OP that he is saying to people spending $2k on flat bars.
That said, I personally think there is a price point beyond which a general purpose/hybrid/flat bar/commuter bike just doesn't make much sense, and that is a price point - to me - of somewhere around $800, maybe $1000 at absolute most - usually at the higher end of the alloy spectrum before the carbon switchover. I have a $2500 road bike and an $800 alloy hybrid, and the hybrid is just at such an absolute sweet spot in terms of weight/performance/quality/reliability/price for its purpose - I couldn't be happier with that bike and what I spent on it (think I actually paid $690 on sale). With it's 9 speed Alivio/Acera/Altus drivetrain, it's honestly really nice to ride, and there isn't really a noticeable difference in smoothness or reliability than there is with my full 5800 105 road bike - they both do the job so well.
And to play devil's advocate, I after having my middle of the road hybrid, I don't think I could go down to the bottom-end $450-$500 LBS bike like a very base Sirrus with 7 or 8 speeds; so I suppose someone on a $2k flat bar would say the same about my hybrid, so it's all relative.
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Give it a year or so, and it’ll have more miles on it than my car does for the year. I can park inside my office at work or in secure bike parking or at a bike valet. I have also ridden it to the grocery store and such. It’s new so I haven’t hit all the spots. I am a practical cyclists vs a recreational one.
I bought a fancy bike for the same reason I have fancier purses - I just like them better. If I didn’t have a bike I thought was attractive and built to suit, I wouldn’t ride it. It wouldn’t have the same appeal for me. Sure I probably could have waited/hunted for a perfect vintage bike to build up the way I wanted, but that seem like a long shot! I’m not patient like that.
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For me, it's pretty obvious. Any bike I commute is has to be all-weather capable and convenient to use. That means a chain guard/chaincase, fenders, dynamo lighting, internal gears, and drum breaks are mandatory. Otherwise, it's not useful. All this implies at least $1,000 as a starting point. Mine was well above that and I could easily see $2,000 or more, adding in a 14 speed Rohloff to replace my current Nexus 7. Parking at my office is $20 per day, so any imaginable bike is chump change. The bike has provided daily transportation for nearly 20 years, so it amortizes out quite well.
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This is why I got a custom “commuter” bike. It is really just my primary bike. My old bike got stolen so I decide to splurge and get something that fit better and had better stuff on it.
Give it a year or so, and it’ll have more miles on it than my car does for the year. I can park inside my office at work or in secure bike parking or at a bike valet. I have also ridden it to the grocery store and such. It’s new so I haven’t hit all the spots. I am a practical cyclists vs a recreational one.
I bought a fancy bike for the same reason I have fancier purses - I just like them better. If I didn’t have a bike I thought was attractive and built to suit, I wouldn’t ride it. It wouldn’t have the same appeal for me. Sure I probably could have waited/hunted for a perfect vintage bike to build up the way I wanted, but that seem like a long shot! I’m not patient like that.
Great minds often think alike
This is why I got a custom “commuter” bike. It is really just my primary bike. My old bike got stolen so I decide to splurge and get something that fit better and had better stuff on it.
Give it a year or so, and it’ll have more miles on it than my car does for the year. I can park inside my office at work or in secure bike parking or at a bike valet. I have also ridden it to the grocery store and such. It’s new so I haven’t hit all the spots. I am a practical cyclists vs a recreational one.
I bought a fancy bike for the same reason I have fancier purses - I just like them better. If I didn’t have a bike I thought was attractive and built to suit, I wouldn’t ride it. It wouldn’t have the same appeal for me. Sure I probably could have waited/hunted for a perfect vintage bike to build up the way I wanted, but that seem like a long shot! I’m not patient like that.
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I've been wracking my brain trying to think of use cases for expensive commuter bikes ($1000+).
I live in NYC and have Cannondale Quick that I paid $750 for and that was a bit of a stretch for me. But I see these manufacturers selling $1500-$2000 bikes for commuting. To me, an ideal commuter bikes is discrete (drab colors, not flashy, etc.), capable - but without the expense of high-end/name brand components, and most of all - relatively cheap! Because there's a good chance it would get stolen.
Anyone have thoughts? Who's buying these things?
I live in NYC and have Cannondale Quick that I paid $750 for and that was a bit of a stretch for me. But I see these manufacturers selling $1500-$2000 bikes for commuting. To me, an ideal commuter bikes is discrete (drab colors, not flashy, etc.), capable - but without the expense of high-end/name brand components, and most of all - relatively cheap! Because there's a good chance it would get stolen.
Anyone have thoughts? Who's buying these things?
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For me, it's pretty obvious. Any bike I commute is has to be all-weather capable and convenient to use. That means a chain guard/chaincase, fenders, dynamo lighting, internal gears, and drum breaks are mandatory. Otherwise, it's not useful. All this implies at least $1,000 as a starting point. Mine was well above that and I could easily see $2,000 or more, adding in a 14 speed Rohloff to replace my current Nexus 7. Parking at my office is $20 per day, so any imaginable bike is chump change. The bike has provided daily transportation for nearly 20 years, so it amortizes out quite well.
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Pride of ownership is quite attractive to thieves.
There is also some charm in an ugly bike that is always there waiting for you.
I've had that heart stopping feeling of returning to where I thought my brand new bike should be, only to discover that it was stolen.
I'd rather not repeat that experience.
Happy trails.
There is also some charm in an ugly bike that is always there waiting for you.
I've had that heart stopping feeling of returning to where I thought my brand new bike should be, only to discover that it was stolen.
I'd rather not repeat that experience.
Happy trails.
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I don’t think $1500-&2000 is in “diminishing returns” territory, and if you can afford it, I think it is reasonable if you are going to be riding it every day.
Sure, you can get a fine bike for less (and there are a ton out there that do cost less), but nothing wrong with giving folks the option to ride something a little nicer.
Sure, you can get a fine bike for less (and there are a ton out there that do cost less), but nothing wrong with giving folks the option to ride something a little nicer.
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My Giant Escape 2. Daily commuter & touring rig.
I live in NYC as well, and after having several expensive road bikes stolen, I bought my first hybrid, the Giant Escape 2 in 2013 and haven’t looked back. It’s fast, comfy & bang for the buck, the best bike I have ever owned. I use it as my daily commuter as well as for touring. I have nothing against people paying over $1,000 for a hybrid commuter if they want. It’s all good. But for the last 6 years my $500 Giant Escape has been great.
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Oh...i do have a tip for protecting your bike from thieves. As we all know, if a thief wants your bike, no lock is safe. They will find a way.
So when a psychologist friend of mine gave me an idea. I tried it. Her theory was that even thieves as dispicable as they are, have a conscious. She suggested I make a small crudely written sign on an index card that read “I am handicapped. Please don’t steal my bike. Thanks!” So i did. I added a smiley face for added effect and laminated the card. And guess what? It worked! Before i got a job that allowed me to bring my bike inside, I used to lock my bikes up outside in NYC on the upper east side. Right in front of the hospital i worked at. But I had several bikes stolen... even with me poking my head out the window every hour or so.
So i put this sign on when i locked it up, and it was never stolen. The ONE day i forgot to bring my sign? STOLEN! Lol. I kid you not. It works! Better than any lock i ever bought. Of course there are no guarantees, but give it a try. Couldn’t hurt.
So when a psychologist friend of mine gave me an idea. I tried it. Her theory was that even thieves as dispicable as they are, have a conscious. She suggested I make a small crudely written sign on an index card that read “I am handicapped. Please don’t steal my bike. Thanks!” So i did. I added a smiley face for added effect and laminated the card. And guess what? It worked! Before i got a job that allowed me to bring my bike inside, I used to lock my bikes up outside in NYC on the upper east side. Right in front of the hospital i worked at. But I had several bikes stolen... even with me poking my head out the window every hour or so.
So i put this sign on when i locked it up, and it was never stolen. The ONE day i forgot to bring my sign? STOLEN! Lol. I kid you not. It works! Better than any lock i ever bought. Of course there are no guarantees, but give it a try. Couldn’t hurt.
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Oh...i do have a tip for protecting your bike from thieves. As we all know, if a thief wants your bike, no lock is safe. They will find a way.
So when a psychologist friend of mine gave me an idea. I tried it. Her theory was that even thieves as dispicable as they are, have a conscious. She suggested I make a small crudely written sign on an index card that read “I am handicapped. Please don’t steal my bike. Thanks!” So i did. I added a smiley face for added effect and laminated the card. And guess what? It worked! Before i got a job that allowed me to bring my bike inside, I used to lock my bikes up outside in NYC on the upper east side. Right in front of the hospital i worked at. But I had several bikes stolen... even with me poking my head out the window every hour or so.
So i put this sign on when i locked it up, and it was never stolen. The ONE day i forgot to bring my sign? STOLEN! Lol. I kid you not. It works! Better than any lock i ever bought. Of course there are no guarantees, but give it a try. Couldn’t hurt.
So when a psychologist friend of mine gave me an idea. I tried it. Her theory was that even thieves as dispicable as they are, have a conscious. She suggested I make a small crudely written sign on an index card that read “I am handicapped. Please don’t steal my bike. Thanks!” So i did. I added a smiley face for added effect and laminated the card. And guess what? It worked! Before i got a job that allowed me to bring my bike inside, I used to lock my bikes up outside in NYC on the upper east side. Right in front of the hospital i worked at. But I had several bikes stolen... even with me poking my head out the window every hour or so.
So i put this sign on when i locked it up, and it was never stolen. The ONE day i forgot to bring my sign? STOLEN! Lol. I kid you not. It works! Better than any lock i ever bought. Of course there are no guarantees, but give it a try. Couldn’t hurt.
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First of all, i doubt if this solution will catch on as wildly as you think. Second of all, my brother is handicapped, and he approved of the idea. And lastly, comparing this to taking a handicapped parking space is ridiculous. There is no comparison. No handicapped person is being denied anything. Nor are they being made fun of. So i don’t know why you are angry.
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My Giant Escape 2. Daily commuter & touring rig.
I live in NYC as well, and after having several expensive road bikes stolen, I bought my first hybrid, the Giant Escape 2 in 2013 and haven’t looked back.
It’s fast, comfy & bang for the buck, the best bike I have ever owned. I use it as my daily commuter as well as for touring. I have nothing against people paying over $1,000 for a hybrid commuter if they want. It’s all good. But for the last 6 years my $500 Giant Escape has been great.
I posted earlier to this thread, and elsewhere:
"Why Expensive Commuter bikes?"
I have an $8K Specialized S-Works (bought half off) that I use for a one-way 14 mile commute on the mean streets of Boston, with secure parking @ work. I bought it after a severe cycling accident.
I have an $8K Specialized S-Works (bought half off) that I use for a one-way 14 mile commute on the mean streets of Boston, with secure parking @ work. I bought it after a severe cycling accident.
“Help with choosing a bike.”
Now here’s where I’m coming from. I have described myself as a decades-long, year-round lifestyle cyclist, and my favored bike is a high-end carbon fiber bike costing thousands of dollars..
I also have a aluminum beater road bike costing about $1500,and for me that was a minimal road bike, to be used in bad weather.
FWIW, I also have a Giant Escape hybrid bike that I recently bought for rehabilitation, because I was having trouble with my neck and shoulders riding the drop bars.
That bike cost about $600, and IMO was a good value as an all-round bike, certainly more amenable to off-road riding than my expensive carbon fiber road bike, and sturdy for my urban commute on the mean streets of Boston...
Now here’s where I’m coming from. I have described myself as a decades-long, year-round lifestyle cyclist, and my favored bike is a high-end carbon fiber bike costing thousands of dollars..
I also have a aluminum beater road bike costing about $1500,and for me that was a minimal road bike, to be used in bad weather.
FWIW, I also have a Giant Escape hybrid bike that I recently bought for rehabilitation, because I was having trouble with my neck and shoulders riding the drop bars.
That bike cost about $600, and IMO was a good value as an all-round bike, certainly more amenable to off-road riding than my expensive carbon fiber road bike, and sturdy for my urban commute on the mean streets of Boston...
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First of all, i doubt if this solution will catch on as wildly as you think. Second of all, my brother is handicapped, and he approved of the idea. And lastly, comparing this to taking a handicapped parking space is ridiculous. There is no comparison. No handicapped person is being denied anything. Nor are they being made fun of. So i don’t know why you are angry.
Not to be critical, but you seem possessive of your solution, and quick to challenge any retort, even on a give-and-take Internet Forum.
FWIW, I have a severely handicapped daughter, and I replied favorably to your preceding post
I live in NYC as well, and after having several expensive road bikes stolen, I bought my first hybrid, the Giant Escape 2 in 2013 and haven’t looked back.
It’s fast, comfy & bang for the buck, the best bike I have ever owned. I use it as my daily commuter as well as for touring. I have nothing against people paying over $1,000 for a hybrid commuter if they want. It’s all good. But for the last 6 years my $500 Giant Escape has been great
It’s fast, comfy & bang for the buck, the best bike I have ever owned. I use it as my daily commuter as well as for touring. I have nothing against people paying over $1,000 for a hybrid commuter if they want. It’s all good. But for the last 6 years my $500 Giant Escape has been great
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I posted earlier to this thread, and elsewhere:
I posted earlier to this thread, and elsewhere:
… I also have a Giant Escape hybrid bike that I recently bought for rehabilitation, because I was having trouble with my neck and shoulders riding the drop bars.
That bike cost about $600, and IMO was a good value as an all-round bike, certainly more amenable to off-road riding than my expensive carbon fiber road bike, and sturdy for my urban commute on the mean streets of Boston...
That bike cost about $600, and IMO was a good value as an all-round bike, certainly more amenable to off-road riding than my expensive carbon fiber road bike, and sturdy for my urban commute on the mean streets of Boston...
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