Exercise and depression
10-30-14, 12:50 PM
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We'd be better off if it were normal for people with mild to moderate depression went somewhere for group exercising and to learn about nutrition (remember when health clubs used to do this?) and had those costs subsidized just like the costs of drugs are. But that's considered too costly and different here in the US, and comes across as telling an asthmatic that they can breathe easier if they just calm down.
Laudanum (a tincture of opium containing approximately 10% powdered opium by weight, the equivalent of 1% morphine) was a wildly popular non prescription drug during the Victorian era and used to treat all sorts of ailments from headaches to tuberculosis and to calm cranky infants
What makes you think group exercising and nutrition training are effective in the treatment of mild to moderate depression in humans with those mental disorders?
Subsidized group exercising under the pretext of treating mental health disorders? Subsidized by whom in the absence of any credible evidence of effectiveness? Sounds like a scam to put some money into health club owners' pockets.
10-30-14, 01:57 PM
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This is just one doctor talking about it. He's not talking about severe depression, nor have the posters so far on this thread.
Emotional Health, Depression Treatment - Dr. Weil
This is just one doctor talking about it. He's not talking about severe depression, nor have the posters so far on this thread.
Emotional Health, Depression Treatment - Dr. Weil
10-30-14, 02:27 PM
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The "old ways" are not necessarily the best ways.
Laudanum (a tincture of opium containing approximately 10% powdered opium by weight, the equivalent of 1% morphine) was a wildly popular non prescription drug during the Victorian era and used to treat all sorts of ailments from headaches to tuberculosis and to calm cranky infants
What makes you think group exercising and nutrition training are effective in the treatment of mild to moderate depression in humans with those mental disorders?
Subsidized group exercising under the pretext of treating mental health disorders? Subsidized by whom in the absence of any credible evidence of effectiveness? Sounds like a scam to put some money into health club owners' pockets.
Laudanum (a tincture of opium containing approximately 10% powdered opium by weight, the equivalent of 1% morphine) was a wildly popular non prescription drug during the Victorian era and used to treat all sorts of ailments from headaches to tuberculosis and to calm cranky infants
What makes you think group exercising and nutrition training are effective in the treatment of mild to moderate depression in humans with those mental disorders?
Subsidized group exercising under the pretext of treating mental health disorders? Subsidized by whom in the absence of any credible evidence of effectiveness? Sounds like a scam to put some money into health club owners' pockets.
The standard therapy for depression is pharmacologic treatment, often with second-generation antidepressants such as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Despite their widespread use, antidepressants have only modest effects on depression for many patients compared with placebo controls. Exercise therapy, already an established component of cardiac rehabilitation, has potential efficacy as a treatment for depression in cardiac disease patients.
For mild to moderate depression, the effect of exercise may be comparable with antidepressant medication and psychotherapy;
Here's another study posted on Pub Med comparing the effectiveness of antidepressants states the placebo effect is responsible for "most (if not all) of the benefits are due to the placebo effect.
Who's getting scammed? Is it the public that's paying for the costs of the drugs as well as the extra security measures in places like schools that didn't need current levels of security a generation ago when antidepressants weren't so common? Wouldn't we be better off if we took some of that money being spent on security and got people exercising and eating better? The side effects of exercise are much more beneficial to society than the side effects of the drugs
10-30-14, 07:27 PM
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Community. Supportive exercise community can actually be fun and have incentive to attend and bust your but than individual efforts. It's effective not just for competitive sports but for healthy exercise.
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10-30-14, 08:34 PM
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I'm sure the posters in this thread who have been diagnosed with depression appreciate hearing that.
10-30-14, 11:08 PM
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It is rare a human being looks at themselves in the mirror in the morning... and wonders what evils they can force on mankind today. The rare human that does that... is called insane.
Everyone instinctually wants to do good. Cheating others is not generally what most people would call... good. These grand conspiracy theories don't pan out.
10-31-14, 04:16 AM
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I suppose you might know this already, but doctors get much of their advice on what to prescribe to their patients from the drug company reps that visit them regularly and offer free samples to pass on to their patients....
10-31-14, 06:09 AM
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I don't have depression, but I experience some very stressful episodes at work and in my relationship. Cycling helps enormously.
So does playing drums and kayaking up the river in my backyard.
Then, there's Buddhist meditation.
So does playing drums and kayaking up the river in my backyard.
Then, there's Buddhist meditation.
10-31-14, 06:11 AM
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Two of my kids are doctors and they treat the pharmaceutical industry with healthy disdain. They are not outliers among their generation of docs in this regard.
10-31-14, 07:06 AM
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Nature gave us a treatment long before the pharmaceutical companies did.
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10-31-14, 07:13 AM
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You mean some people actually become doctors to help people? Crazy.
10-31-14, 08:05 AM
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10-31-14, 08:51 AM
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Really? Who designed that/this/our system you speak (post) of... and when? Was this "design" created by a committee, group, or board... and who appointed/created/hired/contracted/managed this whatever it is?
It is rare a human being looks at themselves in the mirror in the morning... and wonders what evils they can force on mankind today. The rare human that does that... is called insane.
Everyone instinctually wants to do good. Cheating others is not generally what most people would call... good. These grand conspiracy theories don't pan out.
It is rare a human being looks at themselves in the mirror in the morning... and wonders what evils they can force on mankind today. The rare human that does that... is called insane.
Everyone instinctually wants to do good. Cheating others is not generally what most people would call... good. These grand conspiracy theories don't pan out.
10-31-14, 08:54 AM
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By the way, I'm not a nutjob that doesn't think anybody should take medicine, and big pharma is out there to screw you. I'm just supporting the fact that it is difficult to promote alternative ways to help people, because there isn't much money in it.
10-31-14, 10:21 AM
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Exercise IS a way of boosting one's mood. It certainly isn't a sole treatment for depression, but neither is medication. Therapy, will, medication, diet...lots of support, are all beneficial.
10-31-14, 10:27 AM
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Gosh...you almost seem to be arguing that clinical depression is a serious medical condition that is not typically responsive to facile folk remedies.
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Can this thread become any more demeaning? Perhaps you'd like to let my uncle know that his son's suicide could have been prevented by force of will, exercise, and diet.
10-31-14, 11:13 AM
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The sources I referenced were from Pub Med. That's one of the leading sources of information for conventional medical research in the US. I think they've got a good idea of the definition of the term.
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10-31-14, 11:23 AM
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10-31-14, 02:40 PM
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It is common medical terminology. Is there a term you prefer?
While we are on the subject of what we find offensive. How does your uncle feel about you using your cousins suicide to try and prove a point on the internet?
10-31-14, 03:15 PM
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