Shimano 600 vs. Shimano 600 tricolor?
02-12-12, 10:39 AM
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Here are the 6 speed clamp on pics, as promised. I can't wait to use them on something, but what? I have no other matching parts. The band is not nearly as bad as the pics show. Just a few specs of surface rust, that should come off with a #0000 steel wool rub. Never seen these before?,,,,BD
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02-12-12, 11:21 AM
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No, actually in the Revolutionary War many Peugeots came over to ally with the Schwinns, Columbias, and New World Raleighs against the "royalist" Raleighs, Dunelts, Chater-Leas, and other British factions. The French invasion has not yet occurred, though they supported Maximilian's (austro-hungarian lineage) Mexican army against Texas and the US Army in the Mexican-American war. By that time I think they were mostly Gitanes and MotoConforts lead by Herses and Singers.
02-12-12, 11:22 AM
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No, because my 6207 friction gruppo on my 1984 Trek 610 was not 7-speed, did not have Bio-Pace, and the brakes were anything but sensitive and linear.
02-12-12, 11:28 AM
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It's a fact that some of my parts had tricolor, but not all. And pics are impossible - the bike has been totally refitted several times (now it's a rando-ish long-rake sport-tour), and most of it has drifted away to other builds and other cyclists. I have the original pedals somewhere. The rear mech is on my UO-8, but it did not have tricolor.
02-12-12, 11:30 AM
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I can't tell you who the originator was, but I can tell you that the colors were in use by Shimano as far back as 1974. They were used, primarily as borders on literature and decals, notably the Dura-Ace decals. I don't see it anywhere in the 1973 catalog.
The number 3 is long ingrained with Shimano. The original trademark was 3 bound spears. Their product were called 3.3.3. The modern logo has 3 elements. So, adoption of three colors as part of the corporate image/identity was logical.
As for the tricolor designation orignating on the forum, I can categorically state that this is not true. It was in use long before the site came in existance. I remember it being used while the group was still being manufactured.
The number 3 is long ingrained with Shimano. The original trademark was 3 bound spears. Their product were called 3.3.3. The modern logo has 3 elements. So, adoption of three colors as part of the corporate image/identity was logical.
As for the tricolor designation orignating on the forum, I can categorically state that this is not true. It was in use long before the site came in existance. I remember it being used while the group was still being manufactured.
02-12-12, 11:35 AM
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The Shimano 600 group set debuted in 1975 and Shimano did a great job in design, the 6100 rear derailleur is a strong performer.
Credit goes to to Disraeli gears for providing such illustrative images here...
The 6207 is a different beast and set a design standard that carried itself forward into mtb groups and the long cage GS was fitted to quite a few mountain bikes in the early 80's.
Credit goes to to Disraeli gears for providing such illustrative images here...
The 6207 is a different beast and set a design standard that carried itself forward into mtb groups and the long cage GS was fitted to quite a few mountain bikes in the early 80's.
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No, actually in the Revolutionary War many Peugeots came over to ally with the Schwinns, Columbias, and New World Raleighs against the "royalist" Raleighs, Dunelts, Chater-Leas, and other British factions. The French invasion has not yet occurred, though they supported Maximilian's (austro-hungarian lineage) Mexican army against Texas and the US Army in the Mexican-American war. By that time I think they were mostly Gitanes and MotoConforts lead by Herses and Singers.
02-12-12, 01:55 PM
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Something mystic, I guess, but now I really want to know. Shimano Iron Works original trademark was three arrows wrapped in three bands above the 3.3.3. Maeda (Suntour) has the 8.8.8 Perfect, there has to be a relationship. There are other threads here on C&V https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-Shimano-3.3.3.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-Japanese-hubs
And a thread on the ibob Google Group also.
https://groups.google.com/group/inter...efdb0264c78bdb
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-Japanese-hubs
And a thread on the ibob Google Group also.
https://groups.google.com/group/inter...efdb0264c78bdb
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02-12-12, 02:31 PM
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How could a long cage shift worse than it's short cage counterpart? The lower pulley is an inch or two lower, but the top is exactly the same? Does the added chain weight slow it down?,,,,BD
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02-12-12, 09:29 PM
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Something mystic, I guess, but now I really want to know. Maeda (Suntour) has the 8.8.8, there has to be a relationship. There is a thread on the ibob Google Group also.
https://groups.google.com/group/inter...efdb0264c78bdb
https://groups.google.com/group/inter...efdb0264c78bdb
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I've always dug the "half-moon" derailleur cage on the early tri-color stuff.
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Apparently, it was just a variation on the BSA (Birmingham Small Arms) logo, which appears to be 3 bound rifle barrels. Maeda's 8.8.8 logo consisted of 3 crossed rifles. Takagi used 3 crossed arrows. According to Berto, BSA was the "hallmark of quality in the eyes discerning Japanese cyclists" during the period the early 1900s, so many companies in the Japanese bicycle industrty used similar logos/trademarks. It's not unlike the plethora of tubing decals that were modelled after Reynolds.
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03-23-12, 06:50 PM
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Nice thread. Good info.
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Apparently, it was just a variation on the BSA (Birmingham Small Arms) logo, which appears to be 3 bound rifle barrels. Maeda's 8.8.8 logo consisted of 3 crossed rifles. Takagi used 3 crossed arrows. According to Berto, BSA was the "hallmark of quality in the eyes discerning Japanese cyclists" during the period the early 1900s, so many companies in the Japanese bicycle industrty used similar logos/trademarks. It's not unlike the plethora of tubing decals that were modelled after Reynolds.
03-23-12, 08:11 PM
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The Yamaha logo uses 3 tuning forks (which I always thought was a snowflake), and represents three arms of the company.
Neat!
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I'm sorry tricolor lovers, but it was just another way for Shimano to boost their bottom line. It's way cheaper to paint parts than to polish them. I'm not saying that I don't like it. I built my wife's fuji mixte with tricolor.
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I have 6400 tricolor group on on of my bikes, and an older 105 (1050) group and I much prefer the polished look of the 1050. Especially the brakes.
https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...5-d8f844081b92
03-23-12, 10:42 PM
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https://www.bike-vintage.com/1270-133...derailleur.jpg
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Very interesting read!
I have a tricolor group on my Waterford Paramount, it came to me with 7 speed, I converted it to 8 speed and added 600 brifters and changed the FD. It shifts perfectly every single time. I like this group a lot better than the 105 group on my 06 Specialized Sequoia, especially the brifters.
I have a tricolor group on my Waterford Paramount, it came to me with 7 speed, I converted it to 8 speed and added 600 brifters and changed the FD. It shifts perfectly every single time. I like this group a lot better than the 105 group on my 06 Specialized Sequoia, especially the brifters.
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Apparently, it was just a variation on the BSA (Birmingham Small Arms) logo, which appears to be 3 bound rifle barrels. Maeda's 8.8.8 logo consisted of 3 crossed rifles. Takagi used 3 crossed arrows. According to Berto, BSA was the "hallmark of quality in the eyes discerning Japanese cyclists" during the period the early 1900s, so many companies in the Japanese bicycle industrty used similar logos/trademarks. It's not unlike the plethora of tubing decals that were modelled after Reynolds.
least we forget the most famous trio of all!
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Uh, yeah. Yamaha was doing musical instruments (their grand pianos are considered second only to a Steinway, and not by that much) long before they ever started messing with motorcycles. Never underestimate the ability of a Japanese firm to diversify.
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