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Old 03-15-17, 10:12 PM
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Oh, god, I can't wait to see the can of worms this is going to open up. Outahere.
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Originally Posted by Doge
Is farther more serious than faster?
Yes of course.
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The poll ended up being a classic example of self selection bias.

There is no way in the world that 46% of "serious" (i.e. people who ride regularly and consider themselves as cyclists) use Brooks saddles. A simple look around will tell you that can't be true.

And I'm almost as sure that 46% of regular posters on BF do not use Brooks saddles.

The Brooks haters really let me down.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
The poll ended up being a classic example of self selection bias.


The Brooks haters really let me down.
I did my best, but was only able to vote once.
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Not if you are a Weight-weenie.. they're heavy.. The Titanium frame version is a little less..

My Touring Bike has a team pro, my Road bike does Not.

It Could.. I can replace Saddles as my Mood Suits.

Campagnolo's classic #1045 seat post was developed with the existence of Brooks leather saddles in mind
their #771 saddle wrench has an open end for the saddle tension , on the saddle,
Z bent and a box end for reaching the bolts on top of the seat post..





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I had to look these up as I had never seen or heard of them before. The whole retro cycle thing is Not really my cup of tea.. so, I'll pass on these
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Old 03-20-17, 12:08 PM
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I see that Dan333SP voted- I think of him as more of a tongue-in-cheek cyclist.


I'm a casually serious cyclist, buddy. Get it right.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
The poll ended up being a classic example of self selection bias.

There is no way in the world that 46% of "serious" (i.e. people who ride regularly and consider themselves as cyclists) use Brooks saddles. A simple look around will tell you that can't be true.

And I'm almost as sure that 46% of regular posters on BF do not use Brooks saddles.

The Brooks haters really let me down.
I assumed your poll was tongue-in-cheek. It would be like a poll asking what "good people" do. Your (i.e. people who ride regularly and consider themselves as cyclists) is not the only definition of serious. Fortunately we have a thread on that, so read the first 50 posts and you can get a good definition.
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Originally Posted by Doge
Is farther more serious than faster?
Or is faster more serious than farther?
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Originally Posted by NABodie
Or is faster more serious than farther?
Faster takes more work than farther, but you can get fast by putting in big miles over a long period of time.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
Faster takes more work than farther, but you can get fast by putting in big miles over a long period of time.
...well that depends on how much farther or the height of the hill one is atop of now doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
The poll ended up being a classic example of self selection bias.

There is no way in the world that 46% of "serious" (i.e. people who ride regularly and consider themselves as cyclists) use Brooks saddles. A simple look around will tell you that can't be true.

And I'm almost as sure that 46% of regular posters on BF do not use Brooks saddles.

The Brooks haters really let me down.
Well I do have to admit that while I may be out on a given day with a Brooks equipped bike I hardly ever see one on the many other riders I see. I just consider them as uneducated. LOL!
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
... you can get fast by putting in big miles over a long period of time.
You can get slower too.
If you take a very fast in < 30 mile rider that does <150miles/week and put big miles in them, more times than not they will get slower on those 30 mile rides.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
The poll ended up being a classic example of self selection bias.

There is no way in the world that 46% of "serious" (i.e. people who ride regularly and consider themselves as cyclists) use Brooks saddles. A simple look around will tell you that can't be true.

And I'm almost as sure that 46% of regular posters on BF do not use Brooks saddles.

The Brooks haters really let me down.
It is also an example of how the those doing the poll had an idea of how the poll would come out. And when it didn't result as predicted, cited the bias in those polled rather that looking at the poll itself and the group that was polled.

All-in-all good stuff here.
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been on a brooks ever since i could afford one ... thought they were "cool" ... chuck berry was young then ... but i didn't vote
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Originally Posted by Doge
You can get slower too.
If you take a very fast in < 30 mile rider that does <150miles/week and put big miles in them, more times than not they will get slower on those 30 mile rides.
I didn't say it's the best way to get fast, but rather that one can get fast by riding a lot of miles.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
I didn't say it's the best way to get fast, but rather that one can get fast by riding a lot of miles.
One can get fast by lifting weights correctly - in half the time.
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Originally Posted by Doge
One can get fast by lifting weights correctly - in half the time.
some people think cucumbers taste better pickled.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
some people think cucumbers taste better pickled.
But thinks vs the clock are different.
You cannot get as fast (the <30mile fast) riding alone vs a combo of lifting and riding.

No TdF riders are within 20% (I think 50% but I'd have to verify) of the power and speed of rider/lifters.

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Originally Posted by Doge
But thinks vs the clock are different.
You cannot get as fast (the <30mile fast) riding alone vs a combo of lifting and riding.

No TdF riders are within 20% (I think 50% but I'd have to verify) of the power and speed of rider/lifters.
But what if I lift weights, and use a Brooks saddle?
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP


I'm a casually serious cyclist, buddy. Get it right.

If you say so, but I'd have to know more about your socks and waving style to be sure.
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I won't ride a Brooks (or other traditional saddle) until someone comes up with a way to get some give to the ends. I "ride the rivet" a lot. Any saddle that is going to make me pay that much for doing so will not go onto one of my bikes. I rode a quality Japanese Brooks Pro copy for three years on my commuter. When that bike got stolen and I threw together another with a cheap used Selle Italia, my butt's first words were "Thank you!" (Being an actual Brooks Pro would not have changed that reaction at all. Leather stretched over steel is leather stretched over steel. It doesn't matter what pedigree the leather is.)

Oh - I ride the rivet not because my seat isn't far enough forward. I do it so I still have seat narrow enough for my thighs when I push way back riding the tops Bernard Thevaneut (sp) style. (The French racer of the late '70s who was famous for riding the tops on his Peugeot. Won the Tour de France at least once. And no, I do not copy him. We just happen do do the same thing.) I find the far back position on leather seats isn't much better than the rivit; every one I've seen being too wide and again, rock hard.

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No Brooks but a few bikes with Ideale saddles.
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Originally Posted by Doge
It is also an example of how the those doing the poll had an idea of how the poll would come out. And when it didn't result as predicted, cited the bias in those polled rather that looking at the poll itself and the group that was polled.

All-in-all good stuff here.
I understood going in self selection bias would likely distort the results, but I admit I'm surprised by how much.

You're not seriously contending that the poll results begin to comport with what's actually observed in the real world?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
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You're not seriously contending that the poll results begin to comport with what's actually observed in the real world?
Not about Brooks.
But I do see polling often that has selection bias and it seems apparent to me - not the polling group. Too off topic and banned area for the Bike Forum.
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