My new 2024 Domane SL 5 is .95# heavier than it should be.
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Agree with 'Porky' and to some extent 'somewhat LOGO BLOAT'... Logos, can be and are 'design elements', but BLOAT is disconcerting and ugly - as with my 2009 Tarmac (which I dearly love... best bike ever...) which has logos on EVERY TUBE !!! one suffers ... and 'imperfect is the state of our universe - and glad for it !!! 'Wonderful' is much more important.
Weight... did some homework... because I have the option to 'return' Emonda SL5 within 30 days, full refund - Bought at our local TREK (overdone, blocky logo of no real design merit ) store.
Actual bike weight with older Ultegra SPD-SL pedals - 21.4 lbs , 9.72 Kg
so ACTUAL stock Emonda Wheel weight - both wheels, with tires, stock rotors and 11-30 105 Cassette. = 8 lbs 3.7 Kg !!!
IF I were to go with a CF wheelset of, say, 1450 g, add some good. light tires, use TPU tubes, nice rotors and the current cassette, that comes to 5.8 lbs, 2.65 Kg
so a savings of 2.2. lbs, 1 Kg
so bike weight of 19.2 lbs. , 8.7+ Kg
Pedals I have on bike, some older, heavier Ultegra SPD-SL. If I change to the Eggbeaters I mostly use - that's -100 g
so now 18.9+, 8.6 K,
Further savings could be had with a much lighter saddle - seat mast is alloy, could go to TREK CF mast = $$... CF Bar/Stem
Given this version of Hydraulic Disc is prolly 500 g additional weight over a good Rim brake system... we're still talking 8.1 ish Kg... over what was a decent rim brake weight ... in 2009...
...looking for a 17+ ish lb , 7.8 Kg Disc Bike is prolly in the $5000 - $6000 + price level....
I'm on the fence about returning and looking elsewhere...
I do like the 'fit' of the bike - so the Q is : Will the Better wheels transform the nag into a race horse ???
I have had that happen before...
Thoughts ?
Yuri
Ride On
Weight... did some homework... because I have the option to 'return' Emonda SL5 within 30 days, full refund - Bought at our local TREK (overdone, blocky logo of no real design merit ) store.
Actual bike weight with older Ultegra SPD-SL pedals - 21.4 lbs , 9.72 Kg
so ACTUAL stock Emonda Wheel weight - both wheels, with tires, stock rotors and 11-30 105 Cassette. = 8 lbs 3.7 Kg !!!
IF I were to go with a CF wheelset of, say, 1450 g, add some good. light tires, use TPU tubes, nice rotors and the current cassette, that comes to 5.8 lbs, 2.65 Kg
so a savings of 2.2. lbs, 1 Kg
so bike weight of 19.2 lbs. , 8.7+ Kg
Pedals I have on bike, some older, heavier Ultegra SPD-SL. If I change to the Eggbeaters I mostly use - that's -100 g
so now 18.9+, 8.6 K,
Further savings could be had with a much lighter saddle - seat mast is alloy, could go to TREK CF mast = $$... CF Bar/Stem
Given this version of Hydraulic Disc is prolly 500 g additional weight over a good Rim brake system... we're still talking 8.1 ish Kg... over what was a decent rim brake weight ... in 2009...
...looking for a 17+ ish lb , 7.8 Kg Disc Bike is prolly in the $5000 - $6000 + price level....
I'm on the fence about returning and looking elsewhere...
I do like the 'fit' of the bike - so the Q is : Will the Better wheels transform the nag into a race horse ???
I have had that happen before...
Thoughts ?
Yuri
Ride On
Partway through 2022 I put on some Light Bicycles R45s with DT240s (1417g). Between those wheels, switching to GP5ks, and a preferred cassette, the Lynskey’s dropped 7% from 20.5lbs to a shade over 19lbs (with Assiomas, cages, and computer mount), and gained a much needed spring in its step off the line. Now, if only I could drop 7% of my body weight just as painlessly…
Double check that Trek didn’t substitute wire bead tires in, as well. That’s a nearly invisible way of cutting costs and adding weight.
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The Emonda is a good bike don't get me wrong I just think for it's purpose it's way behind the times since it's not that aero to be considered an all arounder and not nearly as light as its competitors. Granted if the price and fit is for you than the Emonda can be a great bike and while yeah you can upgrade the wheelset and go with TPU tubes, you could have done that with any other bike like with a Canyon Ultimate or Specialized Aethos or whatever.
just get some 9Velos or EliteWheels Drives
... good ideas...
I just think even with the upgrades 19lbs for a entry level climbing bike even with pedals that's really heavy for a "lightweight" or "climbing" bike. Now if weight doesn't matter to you than yeah again the Emonda is a good bike but at $3500 I'd rather spend $500 more and get a Ultimate CF SL 7 Di2 18lbs or an Aethos Comp Di2 17lbs at $4000
just get some 9Velos or EliteWheels Drives
... good ideas...
I just think even with the upgrades 19lbs for a entry level climbing bike even with pedals that's really heavy for a "lightweight" or "climbing" bike. Now if weight doesn't matter to you than yeah again the Emonda is a good bike but at $3500 I'd rather spend $500 more and get a Ultimate CF SL 7 Di2 18lbs or an Aethos Comp Di2 17lbs at $4000
Short answer is yes, wheels will make a big difference. My Lynskey came with Vision Team 30s (claimed weight ~1920g, IIRC), oversized Conti UltraSport 2s (maybe 280g each - at least they’re kevlar bead), and the awful 11-34 11-speed cassette. The wheels were heavy, wooden, and made the bike ride like a stuck pig.
Partway through 2022 I put on some Light Bicycles R45s with DT240s (1417g). Between those wheels, switching to GP5ks, and a preferred cassette, the Lynskey’s dropped 7% from 20.5lbs to a shade over 19lbs (with Assiomas, cages, and computer mount), and gained a much needed spring in its step off the line. Now, if only I could drop 7% of my body weight just as painlessly…
Double check that Trek didn’t substitute wire bead tires in, as well. That’s a nearly invisible way of cutting costs and adding weight.
Partway through 2022 I put on some Light Bicycles R45s with DT240s (1417g). Between those wheels, switching to GP5ks, and a preferred cassette, the Lynskey’s dropped 7% from 20.5lbs to a shade over 19lbs (with Assiomas, cages, and computer mount), and gained a much needed spring in its step off the line. Now, if only I could drop 7% of my body weight just as painlessly…
Double check that Trek didn’t substitute wire bead tires in, as well. That’s a nearly invisible way of cutting costs and adding weight.
I guess I have some 'irrational' at work also...
I've ridden Specialized bikes well over 20 yrs, and I love them... But would like to try something different... Not needing a 'climbing bike' and I do like a 'burly' ride, even though now at 145 lbs, I'm hardly burly myself... Not wanting a Full Race nor an 'Endurance' posture...
Not wanting Electronic shift (yet), but want a bike which could easily convert to E-Shift. 12 spd is way more than I need... 11 spd is also more... but I can get a custom cassette !
NO MORE Black !!!! no crazy fluoro color either - the 90's are OVER ! LOL!
Mech 105 is fine.
and much prefer a thread T47 BB, not a pressfit.
clean lines... I want my '80 Colnago Super, in CF...
cost is always a consideration, but not the decider here...
I rode it again, yesterday, and - wish I had a lighter wheelset with TA, I could throw on for a short ride...
No MORE BLACK !!!
Ride On
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This has caused OP quite a bit of anxiety. If he bought a half dozen scales and found one that suited it would be cheap relief.
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I don't think the OP is being unreasonable wanting to understand this. The groupeset, saddle etc, should be pretty consistent. So, it really comes down to the frame. I think it unlikely the frame is almost 1 lb heavier than expected. I think the OP could get to the bottom of this, and that will be they will understand the reason for the difference, such as scale accuracy, this that or the other accessory they should exclude.
In other words, the bike is probably not 1 lb overweight, just that the OP will learn why their bike, as weighed, is different then what Trek specs. This may make the OP sleep better and I don't fault them for that at all. But in the end, it probably is not a defectively overweight bike.
So, go down the rabbit hole, and I suspect you will come out relaxed in the knowledge your bike is fine and then go enjoy the nice bike. I have a Domane SLR 7 Gen 4 and absolutely love it. I'm sure I'd love an SL 5 as well. I have an SL 5 Trek Checkpoint, nice bike. But I upgraded to Di2 (love it), so it is more or less an SL 7 now.
On your Domane, I can't recommend Continental GP 5000 S TR tires strong enough. These will make much more difference that 1 lb in extra weight.
I know the OP has concerns about having received their money's worth on the bike. Do what you need to do to set your mind at ease. Then enjoy your great new bike.
In other words, the bike is probably not 1 lb overweight, just that the OP will learn why their bike, as weighed, is different then what Trek specs. This may make the OP sleep better and I don't fault them for that at all. But in the end, it probably is not a defectively overweight bike.
So, go down the rabbit hole, and I suspect you will come out relaxed in the knowledge your bike is fine and then go enjoy the nice bike. I have a Domane SLR 7 Gen 4 and absolutely love it. I'm sure I'd love an SL 5 as well. I have an SL 5 Trek Checkpoint, nice bike. But I upgraded to Di2 (love it), so it is more or less an SL 7 now.
On your Domane, I can't recommend Continental GP 5000 S TR tires strong enough. These will make much more difference that 1 lb in extra weight.
I know the OP has concerns about having received their money's worth on the bike. Do what you need to do to set your mind at ease. Then enjoy your great new bike.
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05-09-24, 05:45 PM
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Did you remove the reflectors and dork disc? Those probably account for 150 grams.
05-11-24, 07:05 AM
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The SL 5 is a relatively cheap model. They always come with heavy wheels. A swap to some BTLOS carbon wheels for around $800 might save you a few seconds on your next ride. The Domane isn't a racing bike. It's made for an upright position that slows you down, but makes for more comfort.
My new Cervelo Rouvida with BTLOS hookless carbon rims weighs about 28 pounds. At most, it takes 20 watts more to get it up a 13% grade. With a 250 watt motor, I don't worry about it. I limit the power to 100 watts.
My new Cervelo Rouvida with BTLOS hookless carbon rims weighs about 28 pounds. At most, it takes 20 watts more to get it up a 13% grade. With a 250 watt motor, I don't worry about it. I limit the power to 100 watts.
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The SL 5 is a relatively cheap model. They always come with heavy wheels. A swap to some BTLOS carbon wheels for around $800 might save you a few seconds on your next ride. The Domane isn't a racing bike. It's made for an upright position that slows you down, but makes for more comfort.
My new Cervelo Rouvida with BTLOS hookless carbon rims weighs about 28 pounds. At most, it takes 20 watts more to get it up a 13% grade. With a 250 watt motor, I don't worry about it. I limit the power to 100 watts.
My new Cervelo Rouvida with BTLOS hookless carbon rims weighs about 28 pounds. At most, it takes 20 watts more to get it up a 13% grade. With a 250 watt motor, I don't worry about it. I limit the power to 100 watts.
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if the point of purchase is about weight & it is not to spec prior to & immediately after purchase, toss it back for a refund.
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You can't trust everything you read. I pay no attention to advertised weights. I never buy a bike for it's weight. I buy frames and build them up. Once again, there may be a difference between what's advertised and received. If it's a $6000 ultra light frame and it's 100 grams over, send it back.
If I was buying something like an S-Works Aethos then I would expect the weight to be right on the money, given that it’s a major selling feature of that bike. But I wouldn’t be too fussed about the weight of a relatively low spec Domane. Still, it’s a bit slack of Trek to be that far out, assuming the measured weight was accurate.
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I don’t pay much attention to weights either. At any given price point there isn’t much in it between bikes of the same type. The Domane is pretty well known to be on the heavy side for its class, but weight is not really a key selling point for that bike.
If I was buying something like an S-Works Aethos then I would expect the weight to be right on the money, given that it’s a major selling feature of that bike. But I wouldn’t be too fussed about the weight of a relatively low spec Domane. Still, it’s a bit slack of Trek to be that far out, assuming the measured weight was accurate.
If I was buying something like an S-Works Aethos then I would expect the weight to be right on the money, given that it’s a major selling feature of that bike. But I wouldn’t be too fussed about the weight of a relatively low spec Domane. Still, it’s a bit slack of Trek to be that far out, assuming the measured weight was accurate.
Trek could market this bike as something that makes weight immaterial - but they chose to advertise a weight.
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The SL 5 is a relatively cheap model. They always come with heavy wheels. A swap to some BTLOS carbon wheels for around $800 might save you a few seconds on your next ride. The Domane isn't a racing bike. It's made for an upright position that slows you down, but makes for more comfort.
My new Cervelo Rouvida with BTLOS hookless carbon rims weighs about 28 pounds. At most, it takes 20 watts more to get it up a 13% grade. With a 250 watt motor, I don't worry about it. I limit the power to 100 watts.
My new Cervelo Rouvida with BTLOS hookless carbon rims weighs about 28 pounds. At most, it takes 20 watts more to get it up a 13% grade. With a 250 watt motor, I don't worry about it. I limit the power to 100 watts.
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I don’t think Trek has any good excuse for advertising this bike 1 lb underweight (if actually true) but I wouldn’t stress over it if I was in the market for this type of bike. I haven’t even bothered to weigh my own Canyon Endurace, but I know it will be in line with other similar bikes with the same level of build.
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I don’t think Trek has any good excuse for advertising this bike 1 lb underweight (if actually true) but I wouldn’t stress over it if I was in the market for this type of bike. I haven’t even bothered to weigh my own Canyon Endurace, but I know it will be in line with other similar bikes with the same level of build.
I just think its a little strange that an error of well over a pound (actual weight plus 50cm size bike), when the product Trek makes is less than 5 pounds total for frame module. Everything else is off the shelf. Even if they accidentally got a squirrel stuck in the downtube, that would be less than half a pound additional weight. The OP's bike has the equivalent of an extra front wheel hiding in it.
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As noted, no excuse... I also haven't weighed a bike in quite some years... In fact my daily rider '09 Spec Tarmac Expert, I had never weighed. I bought it after 'retiring' my '03 Sworks Tarmac, not expecting it to be more than close in weight; so I was surprised a week ago to find it weighed just 17.6 lbs, with pedals ... Expected about 1 lb more.
But for any manufacturer to present a NEW carbon road bike at close to 21 lbs these days, without pedals, especially a supposed 'measured std' (by them) 56 is as weighty as a 70's Columbus SP 58... (without pedals...) is completely unaware of customer expectations and available competition.
Shimano 105 aside (which isn;t a penalty at all). The rest of the bike parts could easily be put onto a bike you'd expect to pay $1K or less.
Yes 1 lb.+ is not a huge deal, especially if your own weight has some heft. But that 1+ lb On The Bike, can and does often have a big effect on how the bike rides and feels. Something which became apparent on a longer ride than just up and down a street...
Ok, you can always upgrade... but when you consider much of the weight is in the frame - upgrading seems chasing 'un-obtainium'...
Yes, many of us riders have our 'affectations', certain I do; but in the end it comes down to the bike performance (to include intended use) and how the bike works for you... if the bike fails to meet that, then I wouldn;t hesitate to look elsewhere for a batter match... Bikes may weigh a few ounces + or -, from equivalent part replacement, but 1 lb these days, poor manufacturer honestly.
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But for any manufacturer to present a NEW carbon road bike at close to 21 lbs these days, without pedals, especially a supposed 'measured std' (by them) 56 is as weighty as a 70's Columbus SP 58... (without pedals...) is completely unaware of customer expectations and available competition.
Shimano 105 aside (which isn;t a penalty at all). The rest of the bike parts could easily be put onto a bike you'd expect to pay $1K or less.
Yes 1 lb.+ is not a huge deal, especially if your own weight has some heft. But that 1+ lb On The Bike, can and does often have a big effect on how the bike rides and feels. Something which became apparent on a longer ride than just up and down a street...
Ok, you can always upgrade... but when you consider much of the weight is in the frame - upgrading seems chasing 'un-obtainium'...
Yes, many of us riders have our 'affectations', certain I do; but in the end it comes down to the bike performance (to include intended use) and how the bike works for you... if the bike fails to meet that, then I wouldn;t hesitate to look elsewhere for a batter match... Bikes may weigh a few ounces + or -, from equivalent part replacement, but 1 lb these days, poor manufacturer honestly.
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Anything is possible. It was a Park Tool DS-1 scale and probably more accurate than any scale that I have access to. I did consider and cannot rule out the possibility that the mechanic forgot to zero the scale.
I do have a photo of the weight readout so I am certain that I am not mistaken about the scale weight.
Judging from the comments I’m getting, being .95 pounds over the claimed weight is unusual?
I do have a photo of the weight readout so I am certain that I am not mistaken about the scale weight.
Judging from the comments I’m getting, being .95 pounds over the claimed weight is unusual?
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Not to sound too dramatic, but which advertising lies would you stress over? Bike companies make all sorts of claims about the engineering and safety of their products, which ones are okay for them to get wrong?
I just think its a little strange that an error of well over a pound (actual weight plus 50cm size bike), when the product Trek makes is less than 5 pounds total for frame module. Everything else is off the shelf. Even if they accidentally got a squirrel stuck in the downtube, that would be less than half a pound additional weight. The OP's bike has the equivalent of an extra front wheel hiding in it.
I just think its a little strange that an error of well over a pound (actual weight plus 50cm size bike), when the product Trek makes is less than 5 pounds total for frame module. Everything else is off the shelf. Even if they accidentally got a squirrel stuck in the downtube, that would be less than half a pound additional weight. The OP's bike has the equivalent of an extra front wheel hiding in it.
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At that price per pound, Trek owes the OP $3500!
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Not to sound too dramatic, but which advertising lies would you stress over? Bike companies make all sorts of claims about the engineering and safety of their products, which ones are okay for them to get wrong?
I just think its a little strange that an error of well over a pound (actual weight plus 50cm size bike), when the product Trek makes is less than 5 pounds total for frame module. Everything else is off the shelf. Even if they accidentally got a squirrel stuck in the downtube, that would be less than half a pound additional weight. The OP's bike has the equivalent of an extra front wheel hiding in it.
I just think its a little strange that an error of well over a pound (actual weight plus 50cm size bike), when the product Trek makes is less than 5 pounds total for frame module. Everything else is off the shelf. Even if they accidentally got a squirrel stuck in the downtube, that would be less than half a pound additional weight. The OP's bike has the equivalent of an extra front wheel hiding in it.
Like you say, a pound overweight is a relatively large error, so I’m still sceptical that it is genuine. Does this mean that all Domane specs are listed a pound underweight, or is this just an isolated error with this spec?
As for advertising “lies” I do think you are being a bit dramatic. It’s not like Trek are making any big claims about the Domane weight. This is just small print on a spec sheet. If it is inaccurate then it doesn’t look good, but It wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me.
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I wouldn’t stress over any advertising claims. I didn’t say it was okay for Trek to get the weight that far wrong. If a bike manufacturer lists weight for a specific spec then it should be correct. But if I was in the market for a Domane I’m just saying I wouldn’t be worried about weight.
Like you say, a pound overweight is a relatively large error, so I’m still sceptical that it is genuine. Does this mean that all Domane specs are listed a pound underweight, or is this just an isolated error with this spec?
As for advertising “lies” I do think you are being a bit dramatic. It’s not like Trek are making any big claims about the Domane weight. This is just small print on a spec sheet. If it is inaccurate then it doesn’t look good, but It wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me.
Like you say, a pound overweight is a relatively large error, so I’m still sceptical that it is genuine. Does this mean that all Domane specs are listed a pound underweight, or is this just an isolated error with this spec?
As for advertising “lies” I do think you are being a bit dramatic. It’s not like Trek are making any big claims about the Domane weight. This is just small print on a spec sheet. If it is inaccurate then it doesn’t look good, but It wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me.
And if it is a knowing deception, what else is?
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