Ygduf

I was uncertain if he'd go to Axeon.

Doge

A good write-up. Also explains a bit.
McNulty Q and A: Junior world champion to ease into European racing with Rally | Cyclingnews.com

Messigician10

That is insane! I could probably keep up with them for only a minute.

Doge

I had heard it was almost twice...


McNulty, 18, had already lapped the Pro 1/2/3 field twice in the Verrado Velo Crit near Buckeye, Ariz. on a short technical course when he clipped a pedal going around a turn and then crashed into a metal barricade, slicing open the top of his hand.

“I was having fun until I clipped that pedal,” McNulty said. “Ouch.”
World Champion crashes out at Verrado, riders test legs on new course ? Clipped In

rideaz

Saw it happen. I was spectating after my race. Glad he is OK!
Will you be at VOS this year @Doge ?

Doge

I do not plan to. Daniel is at school in CO and won't be doing VOS. He said he'll be filing paperwork to do San Dimas SR, but mostly the regular category racing is on hold for 4 years. Focus will become collegiate road, some Strava climbs and specialty hill climbing (Nationals Hill Climb) - then all track.
We first did VOS about 8 years ago and every year since, so it has always been a great tradition. I will miss it.

Doge

How was your race?

rideaz

Bummer, was hoping I'd get to say hello at VOS. My race went well and I won, always good to get the first crit done. I'm going to do a few stage races this year...vos, murrietta, hopefully gila :-)

Doge

Congratulations! Ping me around Murrietta.

revchuck 

rideaz

Awesome! I'll message you closer to the race!

tetonrider

as a strict rules guy, i'm surprised you're ok with this.

i know you realize that this is not just about last place in the TT but also having the TT in the legs....

aaronmcd

Still it's not uncommon to throw the TT as much as time cut allows and save the legs to help the team leader in the crit.

Doge

It is an option available to every rider at this race. There is not time cut, there is a TT sweeper. You race the next day. The difference is not showing up.

I have posted several times. If the Chief Referee OKs it, it is not breaking the rules. Particularly when done in advance/before the race. My issue is when there is a rule variation after the violation occurred. Still, even after a Chief Referee decision.

Your point about fresh legs is correct and significant, and put in the request is he would be riding without a team. But sure, it is an advantage in the RR. That he's not really up for this kind of race right now is moot.

tetonrider

is there no time cut for VOS? it's been a while since i've done it; thought there was one in the past.

nevertheless, we could argue that it is still miles in the legs and time in the sun, however minuscule an effect that might have.

ok, i'm just doing this because you're a semantics guy.

you've expressed frustration in the past about unequal application of rules.

yes, you might get permission for this, but it's asking for an exception. maybe this should be available to everyone?

or maybe there should be a separate category for 'kids who can't make a stage due to <a test / military service / religious beliefs / whatever>"?

i think if the coin were flipped and the chief referee OK'd an exception request that was not made totally transparent to every racer, you'd be upset.

yeah--it's either an advantage or not. the magnitude or relevance is unimportant.

tetonrider

that's not the same thing as 'no time cut.' that just means that in the event of a verified mishap, the rider is not penalized.

now, there may not be a time-cut, but the above doesn't prove it.

hack

I'd view that as an exception to a time cut due to mechanical which is a bit different than just not doing the TT at all. Had a teammate flat some 2 miles into the Cascade TT this year (apparently just around the corner from the neutral wheel service we weren't told about ...). He pulled out, of the TT and was given slowest time plus a minute or something. So, that seems to be a pretty common and fair rule.

tetonrider

to be clear, i don't have a dog in that fight, so i'm really just discussing this as a hypothetical/ethical issue.

generally speaking i believe there should not be time cuts for amateur stage races--as long as riders ride the stage. yeah, this could create some weird situations with riders, but most often amateur riders are paying for the race and traveling sometimes great distances to get there; just let 'em continue.

the communique example is not a good one because it comes out when it is too late (either too close to race start or after the race of the day) for others to do something. so, this is an advantage that others would not be able to match. isi the military a more valid excuse than having school on friday (or any number of reasons)? that's debatable.

again, if the coin were flipped and other riders got out of some physical demand (and it was a situation that you cared about / where your son was competitive / junior selection or whatever), i think you'd feel different.

topflightpro

Wouldn't that just make it an Omnium?

Doge

There are 3 stages.
Winning is on total time.

hack

I think he's got to run tires at 15 psi lower than normal to make up for no TT the day before.

tetonrider

seems cheesy to me, mainly because most riders will learn of the exception *after* the fact.

oh well!

Doge

https://www.sram.com/stories/meet-brandon-mcnulty
AND
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/02/read...rally-cycling/

Doge

Just about time to move post to Pro Fans...
Anyway Brandon's 1st "real pro" UCI 2.1 big people race. Starts 4:00AM PST/7:00AM EST.

mike868y

hell of a ride at crit nats last night.