You think rim brake, direct mount will return?
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That's right, just hang on to Froome's every word and totally ignore the positive attributes he also mentioned - like their actual braking performance. The important thing for me is that MY disc brakes don't rub or squeal. So Froome's problem isn't MY problem. It's pretty simple really.
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That's right, just hang on to Froome's every word and totally ignore the positive attributes he also mentioned - like their actual braking performance. The important thing for me is that MY disc brakes don't rub or squeal. So Froome's problem isn't MY problem. It's pretty simple really.
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I can't help noticing that most people who have an irrational hatred for disc brakes on road bikes actually have little or no experience of them. Is there anyone here who has actually owned a modern hydraulic disc braked road bike hated them so much that they have reverted back to rim brakes? Genuine question.
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Disc brakes continue to evolve, but component manufacturers are investing zero into rim brake R & D.
Like 26" wheels, coaster brakes, and quill stems, rim brakes will be around forever. But their current iteration is about as advanced as they'll get, and that will seal their fate.
Like 26" wheels, coaster brakes, and quill stems, rim brakes will be around forever. But their current iteration is about as advanced as they'll get, and that will seal their fate.
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I can't help noticing that most people who have an irrational hatred for disc brakes on road bikes actually have little or no experience of them. Is there anyone here who has actually owned a modern hydraulic disc braked road bike hated them so much that they have reverted back to rim brakes? Genuine question.
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I ignore the braking performance because it's irrelevant to me. I've ridden fifteen-thousand miles on road disks The only thing I can do to keep them from squealing is change the pads after I ride them in the rain, and there's nothing I can do to stop them from rubbing. So there are two of us. Me and Chris Froome. That's it. Everyone else's disk brakes are apparently silent and maintenance free.
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I suspect it's very rare because modern hydraulic road disks haven't been around that long. Anyone who bought one in the last couple of years is an early adopter by definition. Not the kind of person who would be interested in reverting back to old-tech. I've also noticed anecdotally, not the kind of person who does their own maintenance. I know lots of people who have both with no intention of getting rid of their rim brake bikes.
It's the irrational hatred of disc brakes without even trying them that I don't get. IME they do offer significant improvements in braking performance. Modulation, weight, feel, consistency.
I even do my own maintenance, not that there is much with these. Haven't had to touch my road disc brakes yet in 2 seasons. I'm wondering when the pads will need changing.
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The ones who have both probably like both right? They probably don't hate their disc brakes. We all know that rim braked bikes are fine (I had them for decades without any problems) so it's hardly surprising that they might keep their favourite bikes that happen to have rim brakes. All perfectly sensible.
It's the irrational hatred of disc brakes without even trying them that I don't get.
It's the irrational hatred of disc brakes without even trying them that I don't get.
I hate the fact that the industry has taken away my options, obsoleting my favorite frameset.
The clock is ticking, and soon you won't be able to find a decent wheel set that supports rim braking. That sucks.
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Mine have been silent and maintenance free for 2 long seasons. All my current mtb disc brakes are silent and maintenance free (other than trivial infrequent pad changes). Fact.
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I don't hate disc brakes. I've ridden them, they work well enough. As do rim brakes.
I hate the fact that the industry has taken away my options, obsoleting my favorite frameset.
The clock is ticking, and soon you won't be able to find a decent wheel set that supports rim braking. That sucks.
I hate the fact that the industry has taken away my options, obsoleting my favorite frameset.
The clock is ticking, and soon you won't be able to find a decent wheel set that supports rim braking. That sucks.
I've seen all this before when mtb disc brakes first came on the scene. Guys saying it sucked that rim brakes were disappearing. Huge arguments on mtbr etc.
Here's a typical thread from 2010 (not even early days of mtb disc)
https://www.mtbr.com/threads/v-brake...brakes.611792/
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However, I did cite the avalanche of marketing hype around a different (and incompatible) product.
Marketing hype, brain-washing. Potato, potato.
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I'm writing that my current favorite frameset will soon be functionally unusable, as decent wheels for it will become unavailable. At which time I will be forced to find a replacement bike.
A very convenient situation for bike manufacturers. A considerably inconvenient situation for the consumer.
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... and then I bought another one two years after that!
The nefarious marketing of Big Bike obviously has their hooks in me.
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No, I am not writing anything remotely close to that. "all future road bikes will be inferior" is wholly your invention.
I'm writing that my current favorite frameset will soon be functionally unusable, as decent wheels for it will become unavailable. At which time I will be forced to find a replacement bike.
A very convenient situation for bike manufacturers. A considerably inconvenient situation for the consumer.
I'm writing that my current favorite frameset will soon be functionally unusable, as decent wheels for it will become unavailable. At which time I will be forced to find a replacement bike.
A very convenient situation for bike manufacturers. A considerably inconvenient situation for the consumer.
Were you really expecting the whole bike industry to stand still forever just to prevent YOUR favourite frameset from becoming obsolete? Not that it actually will become unusable. I'm sure you will be able to find wheels for it as long as you live.
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Genuine question. Do you ride in the rain a lot? I'm curious if my hypothesis that oil from the road grime contaminates the pads carries any weight. My friend with the loud brakes only uses that bike in the rain. When the weather is nice he uses his other bike with rim brakes.
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Genuine question. Do you ride in the rain a lot? I'm curious if my hypothesis that oil from the road grime contaminates the pads carries any weight. My friend with the loud brakes only uses that bike in the rain. When the weather is nice he uses his other bike with rim brakes.
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Genuine question. Do you ride in the rain a lot? I'm curious if my hypothesis that oil from the road grime contaminates the pads carries any weight. My friend with the loud brakes only uses that bike in the rain. When the weather is nice he uses his other bike with rim brakes.
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I suspect this is the main problem for people having consistent noise problems. You do have to be careful to keep all oil based products well away from discs/pads. Even a little oil contamination can effectively write off the pads.
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With the organic pads, at least, I've been able to clear them up just by sanding them (sandpaper with a flat backer, like a quartz or glass slab) and cleaning the rotors of any residuals.
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To be honest it's a long time since I had to do anything like that with either road or mtb pads/discs. They just seem to work. I have noticed that the pads are generally larger now than they were in the early days (mtb at least), so maybe they are less sensitive to noise/vibration.