mack_turtle

get some more lights for nighttime riding.

Lemond1985

You may also capture amusing unexpected things, like surprise dog attacks:

Troul 

corrected...

Darth Lefty 

Soon enough there will be enough nanny bots in the car controls that big brother won't need to bother. The last time we were shopping for cars 3-4 years ago I was peeved that the radar systems (automatic stop and cruise control) weren't quite yet down to our price bracket. I wanted them. I'm realistic about how good our driving is. I'm sure by the next time, they will be. Wife's van has beepers for fast approach and lane departure, but her backup cam doesn't have any brains. Stability controls that use the ABS are now pretty endemic.

The trick you should know with a camera is to stop it and start it again when something interesting happens. Then you have a pretty good time stamp instead of looking through a two hour video file.

mstateglfr 

Yeah...thatd be a field day for lawyers.

WhyFi

In what way? You're not offering anything by way of an argument, you're just waving your hands and saying, "no, I don't think so." How is a searchable database of evidence not beneficial?

CargoDane

Clothing and/or accessories (shoes, caps, beanies, gloves etc.)?

Nicer bottles and/or cages?

Different tyres for winter riding? Perhaps with a reflective stripe?

Upgrade of pump, bag, or even a new type of bag?

Sunglasses?

Cycling Covid mask?

Compressor for the garage to air up your bike tyres effortlessly?

A nice insulated coffee mug that fits in your bottle cage?

A Click Stand?

A feedbag or two?

Better/additional front and/or tail light?

Strategically placed 3M diamond grade reflective tape?

Some nice non-rusting tools - perhaps in combination with those tool sleeves for your steerer tube or the bottom bracket hole (if you have a hole).

Mojo31

I have a car with all of that fancy tech. Problem is that it very often does things to control the car when you don't want it to. I have it all mostly turned off. The one thing that I do appreciate is the blind spot warning although it only activates when you use the blinker.

The radar cruise control, automatic lane correction, etc. can be scary at times, especially when you are fully aware of what is going on around you and you think you are in control only to find out you are not.

rsbob 

Here we go again.

TomM

I am sure there are other BFer's who would appreciate an unexpected gift!

Darth Lefty 

Okay. Trade you.

mstateglfr 

In a civil case where the burden of proof is significantly lower than criminal, perhaps this could be used to persuade. Of course it would be disagreed with though.
In a criminal case where past behavior is considered when it pertains to convictions, that is hugely different from using amateur video uploaded where nothing ultimately happens and the defendant hasnt been allowed to defend their actions.


Im in no way a lawyer. I would expect any lawyer worth my time to go to town if the other side tried to use this as 'proof' for a criminal case(which would be how I would lose my DL for past behavior).
A tiger owner had the biggest tv show in the US, a reality TV host is president, and my kids sit 30' away from me every day for school and work- noting surprises me anymore so I accept there is a chance amateur footage of nothing happening could be used in a criminal court somewhere to show past behavior. It sounds completely absurd, but what isnt at this point.

WhyFi

no collision != nothing happens

mstateglfr 

In a criminal case, if there is no collision, then nothing happens, and I really doubt such video would be allowed.
Its like criminal and civil cases are being smoothed together here in this hypothetical.

What are you saying would happen? If I hit a driver and there was a criminal trial, why would video of me not hitting people be used against me? And how could it be allowed?
I'm genuinely struggling to understand.


I took the afternoon off to ride some gravel and vote. Its awesome weather this week and its looking like not much of that is left. Have that last word.

Riveting

A gizmo or doohickie can be fun too

Thomas15

Not a doo-dad but rather a project. I would like to lace up a few sets of wheels. I've done this many moons ago but will start at the beginning. I have an el-cheapo truing stand it will work and a dishing tool and a variety of spoke wrenches. Even have Jobst Brandt's book. I just need to pick out hubs, spokes and rims. Then get to work. For a long winter project.

Mojo31

You are not far off the mark. It would be very difficult to use any type of video in court, whether civil or criminal, without a witness that can testify under oath that they have personal knowledge of the events that are depicted in the video and it accurately depicts what occurred at the time of the occurrence. If you can get past that, then there is the issue of the rules of evidence that provide that evidence of past conduct cannot be used to show that the defendant engaged in that type of conduct at a later time. Those are the two main problems and there are others. About the only video that could be readily used is actual video of the event that is the subject of the case. And, then only if someone can testify that it accurately depicts what happened and that the video has not been manipulated in any way.

There is more to it, but that's the law in a nutshell.

WhyFi

I see that. Again, no collision != nothing happened. That's like saying that swinging at someone's face is okay if you miss.

In addition, most states have passing laws. You think that evidence of a history of breaking passing laws wouldn't have any traction in a case wherein someone broke the passing law and hurt someone? Okay.

Mojo31

Going to have to pass on that. I didn't buy the car for its accident avoidance systems or other electronic gadgets. I prefer the right pedal for accident avoidance.

Plus, you couldn't drive the thing in California with a good conscious since the gas mileage sucks.

Mojo31

Here's your answer in federal court: https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_404

Most state court rules of evidence are the same or similar.

WhyFi

Mojo31

But, it still has to be authenticated. Videos and pictures are not admissible just because they are videos or pictures.

Lots of gray in those rules and laws. Just because something is black and white doesn't mean it's actually black and white.

WhyFi

Like the timestamps on most dashcam-type camera and the accompanying GPS file from Garmin/Wahoo/Phone?

Mojo31

No, by some witness who will testify that the video actually and accurately depicts what happened at the time of the recording. That witness would have had to actually see it happen.

If it is your video and you were there, then you can provide that testimony. But, grabbing a video off of YouTube or some other site will probably never see the light of day in a courtroom unless you can get the defendant to say that was me and I did what is shown in the video.

WhyFi

Like the person that submitted the video because it happened to them and they were concerned enough by the behavior that they made of point of uploading and logging it?