Why SRAM Red derailleurs suck.
09-18-11, 04:54 AM
#52
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Someplace trying to figure it out
Posts: 10,664
Bikes: Cannondale EVO, CAAD9, Giant cross bike.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
6 Posts
I've heard this particular lame excuse from this Sram shill again. And again. And again.
At the end of the day if so many people have problems setting up a component then a bigger part of the problem is in the product design, not the end user's competence. You know, like the Windows operating system.
At the end of the day if so many people have problems setting up a component then a bigger part of the problem is in the product design, not the end user's competence. You know, like the Windows operating system.
09-18-11, 05:08 AM
#53
Peloton Shelter Dog
By the way, Jesus rode a fixed gear. I was there.
__________________
https://www.cotsiscad.com
https://www.cotsiscad.com
09-18-11, 05:14 AM
#54
Peloton Shelter Dog
I bet He could have gotten Red to work. Or maybe since that stuff is called Red it would take Satan.
__________________
https://www.cotsiscad.com
https://www.cotsiscad.com
09-18-11, 07:42 AM
#55
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 4,429
Bikes: 2013 orca
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
09-18-11, 06:18 PM
#57
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Someplace trying to figure it out
Posts: 10,664
Bikes: Cannondale EVO, CAAD9, Giant cross bike.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
6 Posts
I'll bet you were. And you probably bought it. If it's new, expensive, and available, you are first in line.
Last edited by roadwarrior; 09-18-11 at 06:22 PM.
09-18-11, 08:59 PM
#61
Peloton Shelter Dog
We all can't be marginal pros who get free bicycles and $20K/year.
__________________
https://www.cotsiscad.com
https://www.cotsiscad.com
09-18-11, 09:14 PM
#62
Senior Member
09-18-11, 10:33 PM
#63
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: RTP, NC
Posts: 2,190
Bikes: LOOK 595 & Cannondale CAAD9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Only one way to find out- I'm going to buy an Ultegra FD. Maybe even 105 if someone can confirm that it works as well since it would match my black Red group better.
I had Ultegra 6700 on my bike before and front shifting was beautiful. I doubt the chain matters much, so if I throw on a 6700 FD and it doesn't work I can safely say it's the chain rings. I'll report back once I give this a try.
I had Ultegra 6700 on my bike before and front shifting was beautiful. I doubt the chain matters much, so if I throw on a 6700 FD and it doesn't work I can safely say it's the chain rings. I'll report back once I give this a try.
09-18-11, 10:41 PM
#64
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: RTP, NC
Posts: 2,190
Bikes: LOOK 595 & Cannondale CAAD9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Just ordered a 6700 FD in glossy gray for $55 shipped. Should be here in a few days. I'll let you guys know how it works out.
09-18-11, 11:24 PM
#65
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Qc,Canada
Posts: 995
Bikes: A trek
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
If Red FD sucks and Shimano RD sucks.
and if the ergo is good on both and you don't mind the weird look.
why not try...
front shifter Shimano 7900 with D-A FD
rear shifter Sram Red with red RD
it would be like... Sramano or something.
and if the ergo is good on both and you don't mind the weird look.
why not try...
front shifter Shimano 7900 with D-A FD
rear shifter Sram Red with red RD
it would be like... Sramano or something.
09-19-11, 08:13 AM
#67
Peloton Shelter Dog
No Gospel for you, you heathen GOP Steeler* Red troglodyte.
*Go Jets, see you in the AFC title game.
*Go Jets, see you in the AFC title game.
__________________
https://www.cotsiscad.com
https://www.cotsiscad.com
09-19-11, 08:14 AM
#68
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 60
Bikes: 2012 S Works Tarmac SL4, 2013 Allez Race
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Sorry I'm getting back to you so late. No, the FD's on Shimano and SRAM share the same pull ratio. Just run the cable, align the derail to be parallel to the chain rings, and give it between 1-3 mm space between the bottom edge of the cage and the bottom chain ring. As I said in the post, the spring tension on a shimano FD feels much nicer than that on SRAM imho. Give it a try.
09-19-11, 08:17 AM
#69
Peloton Shelter Dog
By the way, I rode my Ultegra 6700 stuff again the past two days. Best mechanical group I've ever ridden. That stuff is friggin SMOOOOOOOOTH baby.
__________________
https://www.cotsiscad.com
https://www.cotsiscad.com
09-19-11, 08:20 AM
#70
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 60
Bikes: 2012 S Works Tarmac SL4, 2013 Allez Race
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
So I installed the Force FD today, and it's not much better. Maybe it isn't the Red FD after all. One thing I do know- I'm getting quite tired of my front shifting woes.
I spent hours upon hours (pretty much the whole day) adjusting, trying it out, readjusting, trying it out, etc. It's like it either won't shift on to the big ring, or it moves the chain over too far and it falls off the right side. It's almost impossible to find the sweet spot in terms of the high limit adjustment. I've tried every conceivable position in the 1-3mm range recommended by SRAM. Tried parallel to the rings, slightly inward, slightly outward, etc. Have 1mm chain clearance when in low-low combo, then I tension the cable, and try to adjust the high limit for optimal shifting to the big ring. No luck. There are a million threads online with people complaining about the same thing. Here's just one example. I'm having the exact same issues.
I don't get it. I had a 2011 Cervelo R3 with Rival and that thing shifted perfectly up front. Almost as well as 6700 as a matter of fact. It was awesome and I didn't adjust it any differently. Then there's the Rival on the Litespeed M1 I bought my girlfriend. Poor front shifting just like my 595.
Is it the bike? Are some bikes just prone to poor front shifting with SRAM? I've heard that this is the case, but I find it hard to believe.
I had 6700 on my 595 for a very brief period of time before going to Red. Front shifting was amazing, but otherwise I didn't like it at all. Now with SRAM everything is amazing except the front shifting. I can't win here.
I think my next step will be trying a 6700 FD with my Red group, and if that doesn't work I'll just have to deal with the crappy front shifting and soft-pedal shifts until Ultegra Di2 comes out.
Final note:
I installed my Quarq power meter today (compact Red rings), which are the same rings I had on my compact Red crankset. So both the Red FD/Red crankset and Force FD/Quarq yield roughly the same poor results. Could it be the Red chain rings maybe? If I end up trying the Ultegra FD I can determine for sure whether or not it's the Red chain rings since I know the Ultegra FD shifted beautifully with the 6700 compact crankset.
Damn you Shimano! Bring us Ultegra Di2 already!
I spent hours upon hours (pretty much the whole day) adjusting, trying it out, readjusting, trying it out, etc. It's like it either won't shift on to the big ring, or it moves the chain over too far and it falls off the right side. It's almost impossible to find the sweet spot in terms of the high limit adjustment. I've tried every conceivable position in the 1-3mm range recommended by SRAM. Tried parallel to the rings, slightly inward, slightly outward, etc. Have 1mm chain clearance when in low-low combo, then I tension the cable, and try to adjust the high limit for optimal shifting to the big ring. No luck. There are a million threads online with people complaining about the same thing. Here's just one example. I'm having the exact same issues.
I don't get it. I had a 2011 Cervelo R3 with Rival and that thing shifted perfectly up front. Almost as well as 6700 as a matter of fact. It was awesome and I didn't adjust it any differently. Then there's the Rival on the Litespeed M1 I bought my girlfriend. Poor front shifting just like my 595.
Is it the bike? Are some bikes just prone to poor front shifting with SRAM? I've heard that this is the case, but I find it hard to believe.
I had 6700 on my 595 for a very brief period of time before going to Red. Front shifting was amazing, but otherwise I didn't like it at all. Now with SRAM everything is amazing except the front shifting. I can't win here.
I think my next step will be trying a 6700 FD with my Red group, and if that doesn't work I'll just have to deal with the crappy front shifting and soft-pedal shifts until Ultegra Di2 comes out.
Final note:
I installed my Quarq power meter today (compact Red rings), which are the same rings I had on my compact Red crankset. So both the Red FD/Red crankset and Force FD/Quarq yield roughly the same poor results. Could it be the Red chain rings maybe? If I end up trying the Ultegra FD I can determine for sure whether or not it's the Red chain rings since I know the Ultegra FD shifted beautifully with the 6700 compact crankset.
Damn you Shimano! Bring us Ultegra Di2 already!
09-19-11, 08:26 AM
#71
Administrator
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Posts: 33,006
Bikes: Merlin Cyrene '04; Bridgestone RB-1 '92
Mentioned: 325 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11975 Post(s)
Liked 6,655 Times
in
3,486 Posts
Some funny stuff in here.
__________________
See, this is why we can't have nice things. - - smarkinson
Where else but the internet can a bunch of cyclists go and be the tough guy? - - jdon
09-19-11, 08:38 PM
#75