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To start with, 8 miles for a new rider is not a short distance. For those of us who have been doing this a few years, 8 miles is barely a warm up. For me, cotton clothes, or basically anything that is not cycling specific doesn't work on the bike. Cotton t-shirts to jeans to cargo shorts to khaki pants, none of it works for me. I have this whole thing down now, and since I have been riding to work more and more, you figure out what works and what doesn't. No one here needs to be berated because they choose to wear something that was made for being on the dang bike. I mean seriously, is this guy for real? It is no more of a costume than wearing a suit to a wedding. You wear what is appropriate for the situation.
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It works well for a lot of people. Dressing up in a cycling costume is just silly for such a short ride.
You're right, there are utility commuters, and there are recreational commuters. In the US, the latter group is disproportionately large compared to countries in which typical people typically ride bikes. For such recreational commuters, who just use their commute as an excuse to get in a bike ride, some cleanup after their ride is probably a good idea, since they exert far more effort than necessary to get into work.
I personally have no desire to ride a bike conducive to riding fast in the middle of a summer day. Riding fast on a hot summer day is miserable. In my experience, it's much more enjoyable to ride slowly, on a bike designed to be comfortable as it's ridden. I save riding fast for late nights in the summer, and fast day rides for late fall through early spring, when I can ride as fast as I want without getting sweaty…
I personally have no desire to ride a bike conducive to riding fast in the middle of a summer day. Riding fast on a hot summer day is miserable. In my experience, it's much more enjoyable to ride slowly, on a bike designed to be comfortable as it's ridden. I save riding fast for late nights in the summer, and fast day rides for late fall through early spring, when I can ride as fast as I want without getting sweaty…
A bit off topic, a few years ago I bookmarked this post about silly costumes for exercise, in the context of the American outlook of cyclists.
I've found that most Americans think of bikes in three ways: children's toys, exotic toys for fitness fanatics and transportation of last resort for the impoverished and disadvantaged. It's socially acceptable for an adult to dress up like a circus acrobat with friends once a week, run around in circles as quickly as possible with no other purpose or destination, but to ride a bike somewhere for a purpose implies some sort of need and is looked upon as an act of desperation.
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It took me a couple of readings to figure out that the adults who dress up like circus acrobats and run around in circles are joggers.
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Some of you guys are really paranoid about flat tires. I would much rather ride on lighter tires that provide a nice compliant ride and climb well than boat-anchers that feel like you're riding on cement and slow you down! My commuting route is very hilly and you pay the price for riding on extremely flat-resistant tires on every climb. That said, my tires are reasonably flat resistant, and I only get about one flat per year while commuting. It takes about 5 minutes to fix a flat. Big deal. I would lose that much time on every commute riding on crappy tires.
My advice is to learn how to fix a flat and always carry a spare tube, pump and other tire-repair gear. Anyone who says you don't need to carry tire-repair gear if you are riding Schwalb Marathons or some other flat-resistant tire is a dreamer. You can get a flat on the most bomb-proof tires under the right circumstances. I've gotten flats on very durable tires during the first few rides after installing them and then never got another one. I've got a set of very light weight, nice handling Torelli tires on my De Bernardi racing bike that have never flatted in probably 2,000 miles of use.
Your priorities for accumulating gear will likely be dictated by your greatest needs. Personally, I think a large seatbag, racktop bag or panniers would be one of the top priorities because you need something to carry your gear in while commuting. Fenders, although nice to have, are not a necessity. Lights are a necessity, IMHO, but you've already got that covered.
My advice is to learn how to fix a flat and always carry a spare tube, pump and other tire-repair gear. Anyone who says you don't need to carry tire-repair gear if you are riding Schwalb Marathons or some other flat-resistant tire is a dreamer. You can get a flat on the most bomb-proof tires under the right circumstances. I've gotten flats on very durable tires during the first few rides after installing them and then never got another one. I've got a set of very light weight, nice handling Torelli tires on my De Bernardi racing bike that have never flatted in probably 2,000 miles of use.
Your priorities for accumulating gear will likely be dictated by your greatest needs. Personally, I think a large seatbag, racktop bag or panniers would be one of the top priorities because you need something to carry your gear in while commuting. Fenders, although nice to have, are not a necessity. Lights are a necessity, IMHO, but you've already got that covered.
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Some of you guys are really paranoid about flat tires. I would much rather ride on lighter tires that provide a nice compliant ride and climb well than boat-anchers that feel like you're riding on cement and slow you down! My commuting route is very hilly and you pay the price for riding on extremely flat-resistant tires on every climb. That said, my tires are reasonably flat resistant, and I only get about one flat per year while commuting. It takes about 5 minutes to fix a flat. Big deal. I would lose that much time on every commute riding on crappy tires.
My advice is to learn how to fix a flat and always carry a spare tube, pump and other tire-repair gear. Anyone who says you don't need to carry tire-repair gear if you are riding Schwalb Marathons or some other flat-resistant tire is a dreamer. You can get a flat on the most bomb-proof tires under the right circumstances. I've gotten flats on very durable tires during the first few rides after installing them and then never got another one. I've got a set of very light weight, nice handling Torelli tires on my De Bernardi racing bike that have never flatted in probably 2,000 miles of use.
Your priorities for accumulating gear will likely be dictated by your greatest needs. Personally, I think a large seatbag, racktop bag or panniers would be one of the top priorities because you need something to carry your gear in while commuting. Fenders, although nice to have, are not a necessity. Lights are a necessity, IMHO, but you've already got that covered.
My advice is to learn how to fix a flat and always carry a spare tube, pump and other tire-repair gear. Anyone who says you don't need to carry tire-repair gear if you are riding Schwalb Marathons or some other flat-resistant tire is a dreamer. You can get a flat on the most bomb-proof tires under the right circumstances. I've gotten flats on very durable tires during the first few rides after installing them and then never got another one. I've got a set of very light weight, nice handling Torelli tires on my De Bernardi racing bike that have never flatted in probably 2,000 miles of use.
Your priorities for accumulating gear will likely be dictated by your greatest needs. Personally, I think a large seatbag, racktop bag or panniers would be one of the top priorities because you need something to carry your gear in while commuting. Fenders, although nice to have, are not a necessity. Lights are a necessity, IMHO, but you've already got that covered.
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I'll go in a slightly different direction than what's been said here so far. I'm not sure if you one already, perhaps for another bike, but get a nice floor pump. A lot of flats can be mitigated by running the right pressure. Personally, I don't bother with Schwalbe anything. There is a premium price tag attached to Schwalbe tires. I prefer Panaracers myself on my commuter. My tires have been holding up quite well, and only 1 flat that didn't go through the puncture guard all the way - meaning I didn't even know I had a puncture until the next day and was able to fix it in my garage instead of roadside. I would wager really any tire that advertises puncture resistance is more than enough. Panaracer Paselas are great, especially if you get the Schwinn and it has 27" wheels.
So, the first things you should get are a floor pump, a way to fix a flat on the road, and a quality lock. After that, ride a lot and you'll figure out what else you want/need. If getting a used bike, just be aware that you might very well need to service your bottom bracket, headset, and hubs. I recommend going to a bike co op or collective if you have one nearby, as maintenance will be a lot less and that sort of thing can be done on a weekend afternoon, instead of maybe a 2 week wait at a bike shop.
So, the first things you should get are a floor pump, a way to fix a flat on the road, and a quality lock. After that, ride a lot and you'll figure out what else you want/need. If getting a used bike, just be aware that you might very well need to service your bottom bracket, headset, and hubs. I recommend going to a bike co op or collective if you have one nearby, as maintenance will be a lot less and that sort of thing can be done on a weekend afternoon, instead of maybe a 2 week wait at a bike shop.
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I'll go in a slightly different direction than what's been said here so far. I'm not sure if you one already, perhaps for another bike, but get a nice floor pump. A lot of flats can be mitigated by running the right pressure. Personally, I don't bother with Schwalbe anything. There is a premium price tag attached to Schwalbe tires. I prefer Panaracers myself on my commuter. My tires have been holding up quite well, and only 1 flat that didn't go through the puncture guard all the way - meaning I didn't even know I had a puncture until the next day and was able to fix it in my garage instead of roadside. I would wager really any tire that advertises puncture resistance is more than enough. Panaracer Paselas are great, especially if you get the Schwinn and it has 27" wheels.
So, the first things you should get are a floor pump, a way to fix a flat on the road, and a quality lock. After that, ride a lot and you'll figure out what else you want/need. If getting a used bike, just be aware that you might very well need to service your bottom bracket, headset, and hubs. I recommend going to a bike co op or collective if you have one nearby, as maintenance will be a lot less and that sort of thing can be done on a weekend afternoon, instead of maybe a 2 week wait at a bike shop.
So, the first things you should get are a floor pump, a way to fix a flat on the road, and a quality lock. After that, ride a lot and you'll figure out what else you want/need. If getting a used bike, just be aware that you might very well need to service your bottom bracket, headset, and hubs. I recommend going to a bike co op or collective if you have one nearby, as maintenance will be a lot less and that sort of thing can be done on a weekend afternoon, instead of maybe a 2 week wait at a bike shop.
I throw the racers on when I plan to ride a century on clean pavement. I throw the puncture resistant Gators on when I roll into the crap experienced during my commutes.
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And I pointed out that, being very familiar with the climate, it is quite possible to rise eight miles without ending up drenched in sweat. A bicycle ride need not be a high exertion workout.
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Wow. Thank you everyone for all of the information. Unfortunately the Schwinn feel through today, hoping to go see it Thursday or maybe another bike before then.
I really appreciate all of the advice, I like the idea of waiting to buy a lot of stuff and then buying what I need. I will just use a backpack for storage when I get started. Just hoping I can pick up a decent soon!
I really appreciate all of the advice, I like the idea of waiting to buy a lot of stuff and then buying what I need. I will just use a backpack for storage when I get started. Just hoping I can pick up a decent soon!
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Besides the bike, a pair of Schwalbe Marathon plus tires, bike lock, tire repair kit and rear rack. As for bags, you can just bungy cord any small bag you find suitable and may already own.
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Throwing in my two pennies, for what they're worth. I have a nice, flat 7.5 mile commute in a high humidity area, and I wear my bicycling clothes (cobbled together from Target's active wear dept.). I tried riding in jeans once, and while they were surprisingly comfortable, I had damp jeans when I got to work, and soggy undies, so back to bike clothes. As others have said, sweat doesn't smell, but it does get crusty, so when I'm changing in the bathroom, I just wipe down with a wet rag or paper towels, and use the deodorant I keep at work. No big deal.
I do use fenders, not for mud, but road debris. My route is mostly state highway, and there is gravel and glass everywhere. I used the tires that came with my shiny new Giant hybrid, until the third commute, when I got a flat. Bought some Specialized Hemisphere Armadillos on sale, and haven't had any problems since.
That said, ride your own ride. Find what works for you, and go with it. If you can stick it out that first week, it'll get easier.
I do use fenders, not for mud, but road debris. My route is mostly state highway, and there is gravel and glass everywhere. I used the tires that came with my shiny new Giant hybrid, until the third commute, when I got a flat. Bought some Specialized Hemisphere Armadillos on sale, and haven't had any problems since.
That said, ride your own ride. Find what works for you, and go with it. If you can stick it out that first week, it'll get easier.
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...It takes about 5 minutes to fix a flat. Big deal. I would lose that much time on every commute riding on crappy tires.
My advice is to learn how to fix a flat and always carry a spare tube, pump and other tire-repair gear. Anyone who says you don't need to carry tire-repair gear if you are riding Schwalb Marathons or some other flat-resistant tire is a dreamer. You can get a flat on the most bomb-proof tires under the right circumstances...
My advice is to learn how to fix a flat and always carry a spare tube, pump and other tire-repair gear. Anyone who says you don't need to carry tire-repair gear if you are riding Schwalb Marathons or some other flat-resistant tire is a dreamer. You can get a flat on the most bomb-proof tires under the right circumstances...
In fine weather and daylight, go for the light fast bike. In the freezing slush, go for the reliable, sure footed, flatproof wheel. My two cents.
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So, I agree somewhat, but not completely with @tarwheel. He'll freely admit (I'm guessing) that fixing a flat can be more of a chore in the pouring rain, in the dark, or when temperatures are well below freezing. Once your dexterity is shot, or you're shivering, or you can't see very well, the task becomes worse.
In fine weather and daylight, go for the light fast bike. In the freezing slush, go for the reliable, sure footed, flatproof wheel. My two cents.
In fine weather and daylight, go for the light fast bike. In the freezing slush, go for the reliable, sure footed, flatproof wheel. My two cents.
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First off you need to know what size bike you need. I would probably pass on the Peugeot. Unless you know what you are getting yourself into with a French bike (different/non standard sizes, Simplex derailleurs where the clamps are plastic, hard to find parts due to french threading), what looks like a good deal could really end up being a flop. If you don't mind those, then go for it! Reference the C&V subforum and Sheldon Brown (might want to give his French Bike section a read before you make the trip).
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First off you need to know what size bike you need. I would probably pass on the Peugeot. Unless you know what you are getting yourself into with a French bike (different/non standard sizes, Simplex derailleurs where the clamps are plastic, hard to find parts due to french threading), what looks like a good deal could really end up being a flop. If you don't mind those, then go for it! Reference the C&V subforum and Sheldon Brown (might want to give his French Bike section a read before you make the trip).
What do you guys think about this: Schwinn Prelude Road Bike 12 Speed It appears to be a 80's era Prelude, (I've read a lot of people don't like the newer ones that are in big box stores but this one looked pretty good. Plus the price is great!) What do you think?
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Hey Darth, that would be great! I live in Crossville, TN but don't mind a drive if needed. I'm only in about the $50-70 price range. I'm currently leaning toward the Peugeot here: Vintage Schwinn and Peugeot Road Bikes What do you think?
Since that's a ways from you, I presume Nashville & Knoxville ok? Brand preference? Definitely want a road bike? Those are a large and XL, are you pretty tall?
80's lotus excell road bike
Fuji road bike .
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Vintage Fuji Monterey Touring Bike
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I've skipped a bunch that are medium or smaller, including an amazing deal on a Schwinn Prelude.
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I had a Prelude and absolutely loved it. For $30, I would pick it up without even thinking about it. How tall are you? This is a vastly different size than the other bikes you linked to. It's a VERY small bike.
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Those look great, thanks! I'm like the Lotus but not really familiar with them.
I'm actually about 5'9 so the medium size bikes would probably be perfect for me.
I seen the Prelude and am talking to the guy about it right now, do you think it would be a pretty good bike?
I'm actually about 5'9 so the medium size bikes would probably be perfect for me.
I seen the Prelude and am talking to the guy about it right now, do you think it would be a pretty good bike?
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Those look great, thanks! I'm like the Lotus but not really familiar with them.
I'm actually about 5'9 so the medium size bikes would probably be perfect for me.
I seen the Prelude and am talking to the guy about it right now, do you think it would be a pretty good bike?
I'm actually about 5'9 so the medium size bikes would probably be perfect for me.
I seen the Prelude and am talking to the guy about it right now, do you think it would be a pretty good bike?
So ignore the list I sent you and maybe I'll have time later to click around some more if someone else doesn't first.
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I'm kind of short at about 5'9. A small bike would probably fit me, you think? I'm not familiar with the sizing, I'm guessing that's something I should definitely consider.
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The Prelude is an awesome bike. That frame is way too small for you, however, if you didn't care of have to use drop bars, you could change it out with some mountain bike/riser bars instead and it would work for now (though don't get rid of the other bits!). I don't see you keeping it long term just because of it's size. Personally, I'd keep looking unless you want to buy it and try to flip it to increase your budget.
I know we have told you just to get the bare minimum to figure out what exactly you will want, but look for a bike that has the ability to mount fenders and a rack. There should be plenty that would fit the bill for <$100 with enough searching. Also, look around for a Bike Co Op. Usually you can find exactly what you need and almost always at a price you can afford and it will be completely tuned up and ready to ride. At least ours will work with someone on a price if they can't afford much, or give them a bike for free if they really can't afford to pay.
I know we have told you just to get the bare minimum to figure out what exactly you will want, but look for a bike that has the ability to mount fenders and a rack. There should be plenty that would fit the bill for <$100 with enough searching. Also, look around for a Bike Co Op. Usually you can find exactly what you need and almost always at a price you can afford and it will be completely tuned up and ready to ride. At least ours will work with someone on a price if they can't afford much, or give them a bike for free if they really can't afford to pay.
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1987 Nishiki Prestige Road Bike <- looks good to me!
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All true. At the same time, it would be sad that OP got discouraged from commuting because he thought changing was the only option and it proved to be too much hassle. Just advocating for a balanced picture.
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1987 Nishiki Prestige Road Bike <- looks good to me!