Cartridge BB installation, genius!
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I wasn't aware that either threaded retainer needs to be all that tight with a cartridge bearing BB. I have some IRD French and Italian (and Swiss) threaded/splined retainers (sold as accessories) that are aluminum, though I haven't installed a BB with them yet. And the NDS retainer on many budget-level Shimano cartridge units is plastic, for Pete's sake! I only have one cartridge bearing BB installed, with steel retainers, but it's been fine for years, and I don't remember installing it really tight (like tight enough to use a torque wrench) -- in fact I think that the instructions even warned against over-tightening.
Of course if an existing unit has been installed using the overkill method, ya' gotta remove it!
Of course if an existing unit has been installed using the overkill method, ya' gotta remove it!
Also, thanks for mention the IRD conversion cups. I had no idea such a thing existed. So far, I've been lucky enough never to have to deal with a frame with a Swiss threaded bb. Now I know where to turn if my luck ever runs out.
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[joke]Oh, yeah, I invented that.[/joke]
I live for those "D'uh----hey!" moments, when something that simple, practical and truly useful pops into your brain. I had one the other day I already forgot, hopefully I'll remember when I face the same situation in the stand next time. Had one a while back to use one of the dirty rags/bandanas seemingly always on-bench or under-foot to put between the chain and chainstay/bb shell before removing the rear wheel, to protect the frame finish. Only took 40yrs for that light bulb to go off in my brain.
Back on the evil splined bb removal tools, somebody's got a remover tool that has longer and supposedly deeper/better/somethinger teeth. I have one, it's all-chrome, just checked it and weirdly it has no mfr name stamping of any kind. Missed marketing oppty. It still slips, but a little less.
Unrelated sealed cartidge bb tip: Phil Wood bb retaining rings fit Shimano sealed bbs excellently, so if you have a situation where chainring/chainsty clearance etc makes you want to position the bb in a way that the drive-side fixed cup doesn't allow, Phil ring to the rescue. Only works on the bbs with a removable fixed cup, obvs.
I didn't invent that, either, read it online somewhere.
I live for those "D'uh----hey!" moments, when something that simple, practical and truly useful pops into your brain. I had one the other day I already forgot, hopefully I'll remember when I face the same situation in the stand next time. Had one a while back to use one of the dirty rags/bandanas seemingly always on-bench or under-foot to put between the chain and chainstay/bb shell before removing the rear wheel, to protect the frame finish. Only took 40yrs for that light bulb to go off in my brain.
Back on the evil splined bb removal tools, somebody's got a remover tool that has longer and supposedly deeper/better/somethinger teeth. I have one, it's all-chrome, just checked it and weirdly it has no mfr name stamping of any kind. Missed marketing oppty. It still slips, but a little less.
Unrelated sealed cartidge bb tip: Phil Wood bb retaining rings fit Shimano sealed bbs excellently, so if you have a situation where chainring/chainsty clearance etc makes you want to position the bb in a way that the drive-side fixed cup doesn't allow, Phil ring to the rescue. Only works on the bbs with a removable fixed cup, obvs.
I didn't invent that, either, read it online somewhere.
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On my UN71 bottom bracket, I must have over-torqued the alloy fixed cup, because on the first ride I heard a "ping" during a steep climb, and then a tingly sound from that point on. The flange had snapped off! After removing the driveside crank to inspect the cup and remove the rattling ring, I also noted that the tool still fit the remaining splines, so took advantage of opportunity and removed the left arm so I could move the bb over to the left 1mm and improve chainline. Presto, I had an adjustable chainline Shimano cartridge bottom bracket!
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Good tip akin to the freewheel removal safety method. Just an FYI, I think Park replaced the BBT-2 with the BBT-22 to accommodate the larger Octalink spindle diameter when they came out. I remember boring out a BBT-2 to make it fit. If all one uses are square taper bbs then no need.
I also find that a very solid support under the bb shell goes a long way toward easing removal. Orienting the tool so that the loosening (or tightening) load is toward the support helps too.
I also find that a very solid support under the bb shell goes a long way toward easing removal. Orienting the tool so that the loosening (or tightening) load is toward the support helps too.
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I would think that this would not be needed to get a solid 30 foot-pounds or so on a BB cup if you just use a steady hand. however, this technique is critical for cracking loose a BB that does not want to come out because it's corroded, rusted, or was over-tightened when first installed.
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Wow, look what came in the mail today, something I completely forgot about ordering:
These were shipped literally on the slow boat from China.
These were shipped literally on the slow boat from China.