My return from Fred-dom
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Anyone that has ridden with me knows that I haven't worn proper kit or used toeclips/SPDs since I quit road racing in the late 80s. I'm most likely seen riding in regular old cargo-type shorts, t-shirt, and some kind of funky non-biking type shoes (or even Keen sandals!).
I've been thinking a lot lately about changing that, and so yesterday I broke down and ordered proper bike shorts and a jersey from J&G Cyclewear (made in Oregon!).
Why now? Entirely practical reasons, I suppose. I felt like I wanted a clean separation between my biking clothes and my street clothes, jersey pockets are very handy, and it's just more comfortable on long rides.
I'm still on the fence, however, about shoes/toeclips/SPDs. Maybe I'll find some vintage shoes like my old Vittoria's, remove the cleats, and attach the clips/straps that I have in the parts bin. We'll see.
I've been thinking a lot lately about changing that, and so yesterday I broke down and ordered proper bike shorts and a jersey from J&G Cyclewear (made in Oregon!).
Why now? Entirely practical reasons, I suppose. I felt like I wanted a clean separation between my biking clothes and my street clothes, jersey pockets are very handy, and it's just more comfortable on long rides.
I'm still on the fence, however, about shoes/toeclips/SPDs. Maybe I'll find some vintage shoes like my old Vittoria's, remove the cleats, and attach the clips/straps that I have in the parts bin. We'll see.
Oldschool clips and straps all the way, just tight enough to cradle and keep my foot on the pedals.
I have Campy and MKS with Soma dual gate clips and christophe straps on most all my bikes.
I have several shoes that I use, mainly some Nike TRX 3's that slip in and grip pretty well, have good support. Tiger/ASIC's Mexico's, kinda thin but great classic looks.
And these that I have not put a lot of miles on but work very well and really look the part.
Oldschool real deal shoes with cleats gone and a protective sole installed, a bit pricey but whats not these days.
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One of my favorite topics, no SPD or the like for me, can't stand the look and have a bad, crooked ankle that won't do it, period.
Oldschool clips and straps all the way, just tight enough to cradle and keep my foot on the pedals.
I have Campy and MKS with Soma dual gate clips and christophe straps on most all my bikes.
I have several shoes that I use, mainly some Nike TRX 3's that slip in and grip pretty well, have good support. Tiger/ASIC's Mexico's, kinda thin but great classic looks.
And these that I have not put a lot of miles on but work very well and really look the part.
Oldschool real deal shoes with cleats gone and a protective sole installed, a bit pricey but whats not these days.
Oldschool clips and straps all the way, just tight enough to cradle and keep my foot on the pedals.
I have Campy and MKS with Soma dual gate clips and christophe straps on most all my bikes.
I have several shoes that I use, mainly some Nike TRX 3's that slip in and grip pretty well, have good support. Tiger/ASIC's Mexico's, kinda thin but great classic looks.
And these that I have not put a lot of miles on but work very well and really look the part.
Oldschool real deal shoes with cleats gone and a protective sole installed, a bit pricey but whats not these days.
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Actually just random, but you might say it was something like Sir Alec Guinness. By all means, insert preferred accent as seen fit.
Actually just random, but you might say it was something like Sir Alec Guinness. By all means, insert preferred accent as seen fit.
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Most everyday clothes are just fine for everyday riding.
When you're doing specialized riding (e.g., training, racing, for sport), clothes designed to keep one comfortable and minimally chafed are advisable too.
Now if someone suggests that one absolutely needs cycling shorts and a team jersey to ride an IGH city bike to the store and back...well, I can tell you the Freddiot of the two isn't the party that's content using everyday clothes for the task.
-Kurt
P.S.: The safety nannies have yet to come up with any scientific evidence that sandals are a problem while riding. Wear them with pride, knowing that you're pissing off someone in their SUV who thinks that your sandals - not their two-ton battering ram - is somehow the biggest threat to human life in the vicinity. Irony can be sweet and on your feet.
When you're doing specialized riding (e.g., training, racing, for sport), clothes designed to keep one comfortable and minimally chafed are advisable too.
Now if someone suggests that one absolutely needs cycling shorts and a team jersey to ride an IGH city bike to the store and back...well, I can tell you the Freddiot of the two isn't the party that's content using everyday clothes for the task.
-Kurt
P.S.: The safety nannies have yet to come up with any scientific evidence that sandals are a problem while riding. Wear them with pride, knowing that you're pissing off someone in their SUV who thinks that your sandals - not their two-ton battering ram - is somehow the biggest threat to human life in the vicinity. Irony can be sweet and on your feet.
Foot slipped off the pedal a couple weeks ago. More precisely foot slipped out of the flip flop. Crank spun around gouging the leg that was now barefoot.
Yes, I’ll own it. I’ve paid the stupid tax many times.
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I might have missed it when reading the thread as I have a tendency to do that, but what are those cool old leather shoes you all are using? I have been looking online for some but it can be hard to locate without a name. I did find Dromarti which look pretty nice. I have been considering going to non-clip shoes after riding clipless for ages, as I have dicky knees and think it would just be better for them. I could just use clips and straps like some others do here just to keep my feet on the pedals but that's it.
E. Did see the Holdsworth ones, thanks for that rec. All sold out though as mentioned
E. Did see the Holdsworth ones, thanks for that rec. All sold out though as mentioned
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Most everyday clothes are just fine for everyday riding.
When you're doing specialized riding (e.g., training, racing, for sport), clothes designed to keep one comfortable and minimally chafed are advisable too.
Now if someone suggests that one absolutely needs cycling shorts and a team jersey to ride an IGH city bike to the store and back...well, I can tell you the Freddiot of the two isn't the party that's content using everyday clothes for the task.
-Kurt
P.S.: The safety nannies have yet to come up with any scientific evidence that sandals are a problem while riding. Wear them with pride, knowing that you're pissing off someone in their SUV who thinks that your sandals - not their two-ton battering ram - is somehow the biggest threat to human life in the vicinity. Irony can be sweet and on your feet.
When you're doing specialized riding (e.g., training, racing, for sport), clothes designed to keep one comfortable and minimally chafed are advisable too.
Now if someone suggests that one absolutely needs cycling shorts and a team jersey to ride an IGH city bike to the store and back...well, I can tell you the Freddiot of the two isn't the party that's content using everyday clothes for the task.
-Kurt
P.S.: The safety nannies have yet to come up with any scientific evidence that sandals are a problem while riding. Wear them with pride, knowing that you're pissing off someone in their SUV who thinks that your sandals - not their two-ton battering ram - is somehow the biggest threat to human life in the vicinity. Irony can be sweet and on your feet.
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Anyone that has ridden with me knows that I haven't worn proper kit or used toeclips/SPDs since I quit road racing in the late 80s. I'm most likely seen riding in regular old cargo-type shorts, t-shirt, and some kind of funky non-biking type shoes (or even Keen sandals!).
I've been thinking a lot lately about changing that, and so yesterday I broke down and ordered proper bike shorts and a jersey from J&G Cyclewear (made in Oregon!).
Why now? Entirely practical reasons, I suppose. I felt like I wanted a clean separation between my biking clothes and my street clothes, jersey pockets are very handy, and it's just more comfortable on long rides.
I'm still on the fence, however, about shoes/toeclips/SPDs. Maybe I'll find some vintage shoes like my old Vittoria's, remove the cleats, and attach the clips/straps that I have in the parts bin. We'll see.
I've been thinking a lot lately about changing that, and so yesterday I broke down and ordered proper bike shorts and a jersey from J&G Cyclewear (made in Oregon!).
Why now? Entirely practical reasons, I suppose. I felt like I wanted a clean separation between my biking clothes and my street clothes, jersey pockets are very handy, and it's just more comfortable on long rides.
I'm still on the fence, however, about shoes/toeclips/SPDs. Maybe I'll find some vintage shoes like my old Vittoria's, remove the cleats, and attach the clips/straps that I have in the parts bin. We'll see.
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As an added benefit, my wife approves wholeheartedly. Turns out women love a man in uniform. I had quit racing about a year or two before we met, so she has never seen me in kit.
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I might have missed it when reading the thread as I have a tendency to do that, but what are those cool old leather shoes you all are using? I have been looking online for some but it can be hard to locate without a name. I did find Dromarti which look pretty nice. I have been considering going to non-clip shoes after riding clipless for ages, as I have dicky knees and think it would just be better for them. I could just use clips and straps like some others do here just to keep my feet on the pedals but that's it.
E. Did see the Holdsworth ones, thanks for that rec. All sold out though as mentioned
E. Did see the Holdsworth ones, thanks for that rec. All sold out though as mentioned
If so, they are oldschool racing and cycling shoes that had cleats screwed or nailed to the sole that trapped the shoe on the pedal when you cinched down the strap.
I completely removed the cleats and mounting screws and had regular protective soles put on for traction and a small bit of cushion. they work very well but are stiff as can be so I need to wear them more.
They can be a bit hard to find used in the right size and can be spendy, mine are a bit big, which is ok, I got mine with a bike that I bought so lucked out.
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These?
If so, they are oldschool racing and cycling shoes that had cleats screwed or nailed to the sole that trapped the shoe on the pedal when you cinched down the strap.
I completely removed the cleats and mounting screws and had regular protective soles put on for traction and a small bit of cushion. they work very well but are stiff as can be so I need to wear them more.
They can be a bit hard to find used in the right size and can be spendy, mine are a bit big, which is ok, I got mine with a bike that I bought so lucked out.
If so, they are oldschool racing and cycling shoes that had cleats screwed or nailed to the sole that trapped the shoe on the pedal when you cinched down the strap.
I completely removed the cleats and mounting screws and had regular protective soles put on for traction and a small bit of cushion. they work very well but are stiff as can be so I need to wear them more.
They can be a bit hard to find used in the right size and can be spendy, mine are a bit big, which is ok, I got mine with a bike that I bought so lucked out.
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You're welcome, keep in mind they are very slick and dangerous without the protective sole I had put on which is not cheap so the shoes need to be in good enough shape to justify it.
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To each his own, I say ...
But personally I draw the line at sandals. Firmly. A sartorial faux pas of extraordinary magnitude. On the beach, when no one is watching? Maybe. But in the out and open? No sir.
My favorite cycling shoes for riding in town: hand-made Italian eel skin. And no, they have no SPD cleats.
On a more serious note: I like wool jerseys and shorts. Good-looking, comfortable, and the back pockets are very useful indeed. However, I find I don't really need them, at least not for the kind of rides I do: mostly leisurely rides up to 100k. And when touring, there are advantages to wearing "normal" clothing. Like when you ride into a town, and want to have lunch in a decent restaurant.
WRT shoes, I find these a good compromise. Classic cycle touring shoes. They are made for clips and straps, to be used without cleats, and - sort of - work well with both formal cycling apparel (wool), and a more casual outfit:
I have them in brown and black, of course.
But personally I draw the line at sandals. Firmly. A sartorial faux pas of extraordinary magnitude. On the beach, when no one is watching? Maybe. But in the out and open? No sir.
My favorite cycling shoes for riding in town: hand-made Italian eel skin. And no, they have no SPD cleats.
On a more serious note: I like wool jerseys and shorts. Good-looking, comfortable, and the back pockets are very useful indeed. However, I find I don't really need them, at least not for the kind of rides I do: mostly leisurely rides up to 100k. And when touring, there are advantages to wearing "normal" clothing. Like when you ride into a town, and want to have lunch in a decent restaurant.
WRT shoes, I find these a good compromise. Classic cycle touring shoes. They are made for clips and straps, to be used without cleats, and - sort of - work well with both formal cycling apparel (wool), and a more casual outfit:
I have them in brown and black, of course.
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Sad day when Johnny Ace loses his fred threads, memories of drafting behind his big motor on a 50 year old french bike, passing a solid line of crapon and lycra on a metric century and asking, loudly as we zipped by, “how much you pay for that bike Johnny?” and hearing him reply, loudly, “three fiddy, gugie, three fiddy!”
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Sad day when Johnny Ace loses his fred threads, memories of drafting behind his big motor on a 50 year old french bike, passing a solid line of crapon and lycra on a metric century and asking, loudly as we zipped by, “how much you pay for that bike Johnny?” and hearing him reply, loudly, “three fiddy, gugie, three fiddy!”
But wait! Who is this imposter "Johnny Ace?" Signed up 11-16-11, and has never posted anything? I am the REAL johnnyace!
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I’m going to stop short of saying cycling specific shirts, shorts or shoes are “required” but will say that I most often ride with at least two of the three, those being shorts and shoes. While I have a closet full of flashy cycling shirts with back pockets and a rather tight (aero) fit, i usually wear some kind of sport fabric shirt from WalMart. For me, the padding and seamless design makes for a more comfortable ride. Padded underwear with Carhart cargo shorts still have seams that can chafe sensitive areas. Most of my bikes have either SPD type or Look type pedals. Only one (maybe two) have Look types, most have SPD type (even road bikes) and a few have platform types. I prefer the SPDs because the cleat is recessed into the sole of the shoe. Look type cleats make for a goofy gait when off the bike especially with the cleat covers.
I guess it’s pretty “Fred” of me but I will mix and match and don’t really care what the purists think.
I guess it’s pretty “Fred” of me but I will mix and match and don’t really care what the purists think.
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I’m going to stop short of saying cycling specific shirts, shorts or shoes are “required” but will say that I most often ride with at least two of the three, those being shorts and shoes. While I have a closet full of flashy cycling shirts with back pockets and a rather tight (aero) fit, i usually wear some kind of sport fabric shirt from WalMart. For me, the padding and seamless design makes for a more comfortable ride. Padded underwear with Carhart cargo shorts still have seams that can chafe sensitive areas. Most of my bikes have either SPD type or Look type pedals. Only one (maybe two) have Look types, most have SPD type (even road bikes) and a few have platform types. I prefer the SPDs because the cleat is recessed into the sole of the shoe. Look type cleats make for a goofy gait when off the bike especially with the cleat covers.
I guess it’s pretty “Fred” of me but I will mix and match and don’t really care what the purists think.
I guess it’s pretty “Fred” of me but I will mix and match and don’t really care what the purists think.
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I'll probably break it out again for select events featuring lots of crapon fibber riders, just so we can savor such moments, but for riding with the usual suspects, I'm goin' legit. I noticed when we did our own Champoeg ride back in April, that things were somewhat *ahem* uncomfortable down below after about 40 miles. Cotton and seams and whatnot.
But wait! Who is this imposter "Johnny Ace?" Signed up 11-16-11, and has never posted anything? I am the REAL johnnyace!
But wait! Who is this imposter "Johnny Ace?" Signed up 11-16-11, and has never posted anything? I am the REAL johnnyace!
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Riding Kit
My favorite shoes - "Stackys" - 1970's appropriate kit!
Stylish shoes from SIDI for the ladies in the crowd.
Back in 2003 I had a right side total hip replacement. It was wonderful to be able to walk again but they reassembled me with my right foot pointing out at 15°....
The solution has been to use a pedal extender on the right side. That along with extra wide MTB pedals and the right toe clip modified to sit all the way to the edge of the pedal. No cleats or clipless in case I need to get out of them in a hurry!!!
I wear size 10.5 EEE shoes (45 XW). A few years back, I found these Shimano SH CT41 shoes. Unfortunately they're discontinued. In almost 50 years of riding with toe clips these are the most comfortable cycling shoes I've ever worn!!!
They have a removable hard plastic cover over the SPD mounting area.
As far as other accoutrements, I like Kucharik Lycra 8 panel shorts for anything over a few miles. Also I wear gaudy riding jerseys for visibility plus the convenience of the rear pockets.
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Stylish shoes from SIDI for the ladies in the crowd.
Back in 2003 I had a right side total hip replacement. It was wonderful to be able to walk again but they reassembled me with my right foot pointing out at 15°....
The solution has been to use a pedal extender on the right side. That along with extra wide MTB pedals and the right toe clip modified to sit all the way to the edge of the pedal. No cleats or clipless in case I need to get out of them in a hurry!!!
I wear size 10.5 EEE shoes (45 XW). A few years back, I found these Shimano SH CT41 shoes. Unfortunately they're discontinued. In almost 50 years of riding with toe clips these are the most comfortable cycling shoes I've ever worn!!!
They have a removable hard plastic cover over the SPD mounting area.
As far as other accoutrements, I like Kucharik Lycra 8 panel shorts for anything over a few miles. Also I wear gaudy riding jerseys for visibility plus the convenience of the rear pockets.
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Sometimes it’s nice to just jump on a bike and go for a ride without having to “gear up” for it. Really, for a ride under 20 miles does it really matter!
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