Is this front rack useful?
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And who doesn't love pie?
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You can even transport your best friend.
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Say "Cheese!". Lots of hills on that road.
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You're getting emotional Indy. I've already addressed this. See the last two paragraphs of my previous post.
One other point: in case you hadn't noticed, the racks in OP's question cannot carry front panniers. They ONLY have the high platform. So let me ask you: how did that firewood handle when you didn't have the low panniers to provide compensation? Don't answer, I already know.
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You're getting emotional Indy. I've already addressed this. See the last two paragraphs of my previous post.
One other point: in case you hadn't noticed, the racks in OP's question cannot carry front panniers. They ONLY have the high platform. So let me ask you: how did that firewood handle when you didn't have the low panniers to provide compensation? Don't answer, I already know.
One other point: in case you hadn't noticed, the racks in OP's question cannot carry front panniers. They ONLY have the high platform. So let me ask you: how did that firewood handle when you didn't have the low panniers to provide compensation? Don't answer, I already know.
You’re the one evading the censor to express your emotions, which is a no no here.
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Today I learned that having wheel flop is considered "better" by some people.
I'm currently, at this very moment, six months into a one year vacation cycling around the world. I've also in the past bicycled across Europe and Asia twice. Racks, panniers, bar bags, frame bags, saddlebags, baskets, trailers, if it exists under the sun, I've tried it. I ride a custom touring bike made to my body measurements by a framebuilder.
I know how heavy loads work on bicycles. Do you?
I'm currently, at this very moment, six months into a one year vacation cycling around the world. I've also in the past bicycled across Europe and Asia twice. Racks, panniers, bar bags, frame bags, saddlebags, baskets, trailers, if it exists under the sun, I've tried it. I ride a custom touring bike made to my body measurements by a framebuilder.
I know how heavy loads work on bicycles. Do you?
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I get excited about my pies, man.
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You're getting emotional Indy. I've already addressed this. See the last two paragraphs of my previous post.
One other point: in case you hadn't noticed, the racks in OP's question cannot carry front panniers. They ONLY have the high platform. So let me ask you: how did that firewood handle when you didn't have the low panniers to provide compensation? Don't answer, I already know. Like dog sh*t.
One other point: in case you hadn't noticed, the racks in OP's question cannot carry front panniers. They ONLY have the high platform. So let me ask you: how did that firewood handle when you didn't have the low panniers to provide compensation? Don't answer, I already know. Like dog sh*t.
This is from an errands ride yesterday. Basket and platform front rack. It had 18# of produce at one point and steered fine.
Yes, it's a town ride vs touring. Thing is, the OP didn't ask about touring and actually asked about how they would be for local town riding. Thars what you responded to, and then went on a touring rant over.
Heck, you even acknowledge they can be fine for in town riding, which is what the OP asked about.
All the rest of your posts where you talk about touring is just filler.
As for a front rack on touring, to each their own, bud. You do you and others do their way. It seems comical, and frankly on brand, for you to declare there is one way to do things and everyone else is wrong.
Again, maybe they are just not as scared of how a bike with weight in the front handles. Maybe they are just not as sensitive with weight on the front. Maybe their geometry is different than yours. Etc etc.
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And Robert Beckman didn’t gain the reputation he did by making racks without front platforms.
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Awesome! Yes, please explain how, with all the experience you already detailed, in excruciatingly boring detail, how it is you cannot ride a bike with a front rack. Thanks in advance.
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I don't know your location, but here is one (Minivelo made or at least popular in Japan, I think) imported to the United States by Merry Sales/Soma https://www.somafab.com/archives/pro...argo-frame-set
As has been discussed, wheel flop is a consideration with load capacity. More rake/less trail will be less "floppy" & will tend to behave better than high flop, high trail bikes. Porteur bikes have very little if any to keep exceedingly heavy loads managable. High flop/high trail just requires more effort to effect the desired maneuver.
Frame mounted above the wheels contact patch/wheel axle is the best of the available options. As far as the bike is concerned you, the rider are just heavier that day. Low rider racks & hanging things of the forks invites all manner of complications into the mix because the load is an active part of any steering or balance function.
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You typed "front rack". I assume this is a typo because our previous discussion was never about all front racks. Our previous discussion was only about the specific racks in the OP's pictures. We need to be specific because there are plenty of good front racks that do not handle poorly. It is very important that we be able to tell the difference between good front racks and bad ones (which you apparently cannot).
But anyway, to answer your question: I am physically capable of riding this type of racks, however since I have a choice in what bikes I ride, I decided to avoid bikes that handle poorly. Because I have good taste in preferring the most pleasurable cycling possible (unlike you).
Understand now?
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Here's the explanation you requested:
You typed "front rack". I assume this is a typo because our previous discussion was never about all front racks. Our previous discussion was only about the specific racks in the OP's pictures. We need to be specific because there are plenty of good front racks that do not handle like dog sh*t. It is very important that we be able to tell the difference between good front racks and bad ones (which you apparently cannot).
But anyway, to answer your question: I am physically capable of riding this dog sh*t type of racks, however since I have a choice in what bikes I ride, I decided to avoid bikes that handle like dog sh*t. Because I have good taste in preferring the most pleasurable cycling possible (unlike you).
Understand now?
You typed "front rack". I assume this is a typo because our previous discussion was never about all front racks. Our previous discussion was only about the specific racks in the OP's pictures. We need to be specific because there are plenty of good front racks that do not handle like dog sh*t. It is very important that we be able to tell the difference between good front racks and bad ones (which you apparently cannot).
But anyway, to answer your question: I am physically capable of riding this dog sh*t type of racks, however since I have a choice in what bikes I ride, I decided to avoid bikes that handle like dog sh*t. Because I have good taste in preferring the most pleasurable cycling possible (unlike you).
Understand now?
You claimed both racks will make the bike handle terribly. I dont see anything about the step-thru's porteur rack that will ensure it handles terribly.
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Here's the explanation you requested:
You typed "front rack". I assume this is a typo because our previous discussion was never about all front racks. Our previous discussion was only about the specific racks in the OP's pictures. We need to be specific because there are plenty of good front racks that do not handle poorly. It is very important that we be able to tell the difference between good front racks and bad ones (which you apparently cannot).
But anyway, to answer your question: I am physically capable of riding this type of racks, however since I have a choice in what bikes I ride, I decided to avoid bikes that handle poorly. Because I have good taste in preferring the most pleasurable cycling possible (unlike you).
Understand now?
You typed "front rack". I assume this is a typo because our previous discussion was never about all front racks. Our previous discussion was only about the specific racks in the OP's pictures. We need to be specific because there are plenty of good front racks that do not handle poorly. It is very important that we be able to tell the difference between good front racks and bad ones (which you apparently cannot).
But anyway, to answer your question: I am physically capable of riding this type of racks, however since I have a choice in what bikes I ride, I decided to avoid bikes that handle poorly. Because I have good taste in preferring the most pleasurable cycling possible (unlike you).
Understand now?
My Cinelli Mash Work that I built up as the Single Speed/Fixed Gear RandoCross FunTime Machine has a Nitto cantilever mounted rack and it is fantastic but I chose a steel rack on this one. It rides just fine no issues with bag and weight and without. The Specialized Como 5.0 or other models with the Pizza Rack added rode great as well but that one is an aluminum rack not made of any sort of fecal matter.
If you have a problem with bike handling that comes with riding more and practice. I know it is working for me with mountain biking and has worked in the past with my road riding as well. When riding with a front rack it can take some getting used to so that might be a huge part of your real issue beyond the rack material. Ride more and slowly increase the weight as you start to get more comfortable.
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Mmm, I was trying to throw you a bit of a bone. That high trail design isn't great for a front load and had a low trail fork been used, it would create an I herently more stable front end when riding with gear in atop the rack.
But really- that rack will work fine to hold some stuff and nobody will just crash suddenly because the rack is carrying some weight.
Yes, weight further from the steering axis weight is less ideal than weight close to the steering axis. No, it isn't some disaster waiting to happen.
But really- that rack will work fine to hold some stuff and nobody will just crash suddenly because the rack is carrying some weight.
Yes, weight further from the steering axis weight is less ideal than weight close to the steering axis. No, it isn't some disaster waiting to happen.
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Mmm, I was trying to throw you a bit of a bone. That high trail design isn't great for a front load and had a low trail fork been used, it would create an I herently more stable front end when riding with gear in atop the rack.
But really- that rack will work fine to hold some stuff and nobody will just crash suddenly because the rack is carrying some weight.
Yes, weight further from the steering axis weight is less ideal than weight close to the steering axis. No, it isn't some disaster waiting to happen.
But really- that rack will work fine to hold some stuff and nobody will just crash suddenly because the rack is carrying some weight.
Yes, weight further from the steering axis weight is less ideal than weight close to the steering axis. No, it isn't some disaster waiting to happen.
It's designed as a fashion item, that's about it. No doubt it will sell because the general public knows next to nothing about bikes.
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That's not all. It also has bars that give it an effective stem length of zero, which is another factor that will make its steering unstable.
It's designed as a fashion item, that's about it. No doubt it will sell because the general public knows next to nothing about bikes.
It's designed as a fashion item, that's about it. No doubt it will sell because the general public knows next to nothing about bikes.
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https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/...-and-handling/
https://www.cyclingabout.com/steerin...teering-speed/
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I've ridden most of my life with rear racks. I recently got a Mongoose Elroy that came with a front rack.
https://www.mongoose.com/products/elroy
I strapped my rack bag to the top of it and I've been riding that way for a month or two now. It's not growing on me. I don't like all that weight through the bars. It also catches crosswinds, which want to steer the bike. And it (the rack bag on top of the rack) blocks part of the beam from my headlight. At some point in the future, I'll probably remove the rack and replace it with a rear rack. I'm not finding the frame bag all that useful, either; I'd rather just toss stuff in the rack bag or (on my other bikes) the panniers. Also, this frame bag is bolted to the frame, so I can't easily take it inside with me.
https://www.mongoose.com/products/elroy
I strapped my rack bag to the top of it and I've been riding that way for a month or two now. It's not growing on me. I don't like all that weight through the bars. It also catches crosswinds, which want to steer the bike. And it (the rack bag on top of the rack) blocks part of the beam from my headlight. At some point in the future, I'll probably remove the rack and replace it with a rear rack. I'm not finding the frame bag all that useful, either; I'd rather just toss stuff in the rack bag or (on my other bikes) the panniers. Also, this frame bag is bolted to the frame, so I can't easily take it inside with me.
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Moderation Note. Well, going around / evading the censor is not allowed at BF and is an infraction. And we did a lot of cleanup to fix all the quoted remarks as well as the offending posts. Yan Please leave the thread.
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