30 mph ebike this morning
#26
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 3,947
Bikes: Trek 1100 road bike, Roadmaster gravel/commuter/beater mountain bike
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2281 Post(s)
Liked 1,710 Times
in
936 Posts
But the real problem is that you have to define what is or isn't an electric-powered motorcycle. An E-assist bike could technically fall into this category unless you spell out specifically in the law what type of bike you're legislating.
*There was a big issue with this in the city I worked for about 10-15 years ago when those small 49cc motorcycles from China became all the rage. People were riding them all over town before the PD started cracking down on them due to this part of the law.
Last edited by Milton Keynes; 10-24-19 at 07:21 AM.
#27
On Your Left
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
Posts: 8,373
Bikes: Trek Emonda SLR, Sram eTap, Zipp 303
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3004 Post(s)
Liked 2,434 Times
in
1,187 Posts
#28
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 3,947
Bikes: Trek 1100 road bike, Roadmaster gravel/commuter/beater mountain bike
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2281 Post(s)
Liked 1,710 Times
in
936 Posts
Like I said, in order to pass laws regulating them, they're going to have to first come up with a legal definition of them.
#29
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 9,201
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1186 Post(s)
Liked 289 Times
in
177 Posts
We have Limited Speed Motorcycles (LSM) defined in our area. It applies to bikes with a motor less than 49cc or 1.5kW, max speed of 79kph and max weight of 95kg. They can travel on the roads but the rider needs a driver's license and the vehicle needs to be registered and insured. The license requirements are the same as a vehicle whereas a normal motorcycle requires an additional drivers test.
#30
Señor Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 5,066
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 649 Post(s)
Liked 293 Times
in
216 Posts
Most e-bikes come from the factory with a built-in speed limiter, as most jurisdictions have a speed limit for an electrically assisted bike. Here in Ontario, Canada, they can't do more than 32km/h(20mi/h). If you convert your own bike to an e-bike, or somehow reprogram or trick the control system to ignore or remove the speed limiter, you can go much faster I am sure.
#31
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 109
Bikes: Giant Cypress
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times
in
6 Posts
It is possible for cyclists to cycle 30+ miles per hour (that's what pro cyclists who race reach), so I though OP decided to cycle faster on their way back, after dropping off the kids.
#32
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 4,848
Bikes: Schwinn Varsity
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1931 Post(s)
Liked 742 Times
in
422 Posts
Yep. 30 mph or even 28 mph in CA without pedaling is breaking the CA Ebike law. Can only go 20 mph here on a throttle. 28 mph Class 3 you need to pedal.
I call it dangerous. People are used to seeing a bike and they know it''s a bike, and can gauge their speed because it's a bike.... until it's going really fast, silently.... all of a sudden there is an accident.
So many new ebike riders think they want the speed, but in reality you get the best battery mileage at 15 mph. Over that and the wind resistance hogs your battery down fast.
I call it dangerous. People are used to seeing a bike and they know it''s a bike, and can gauge their speed because it's a bike.... until it's going really fast, silently.... all of a sudden there is an accident.
So many new ebike riders think they want the speed, but in reality you get the best battery mileage at 15 mph. Over that and the wind resistance hogs your battery down fast.
#33
Senior Member
Same here. Open road no care.
Other night I did see a guy on an ebike with fatbike tires screaming along that had just exited the gravel state park where they aren’t allowed and heading down an MUP with runners. Headphones on, no hands, about 25mph up a grade not pedaling (how he do that? No hands and no pedaling? Cruise control?) Piece of trash. Here I was legally on the road that followed the MUP on my pedal bike because I would have exceeded the speed limit on the MUP. Then here’s this mierda plowing along the MUP.
Lazy entitled people these days, just scoff at the rules.
Other night I did see a guy on an ebike with fatbike tires screaming along that had just exited the gravel state park where they aren’t allowed and heading down an MUP with runners. Headphones on, no hands, about 25mph up a grade not pedaling (how he do that? No hands and no pedaling? Cruise control?) Piece of trash. Here I was legally on the road that followed the MUP on my pedal bike because I would have exceeded the speed limit on the MUP. Then here’s this mierda plowing along the MUP.
Lazy entitled people these days, just scoff at the rules.
#34
On Your Left
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
Posts: 8,373
Bikes: Trek Emonda SLR, Sram eTap, Zipp 303
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3004 Post(s)
Liked 2,434 Times
in
1,187 Posts
Is this a e-bike?
#35
Junior Member
modified e-bike on roadway going 30mph is, in my view, not that big a deal. It may violate the local e-bike rules but since there's little enforcement, the risk of penalty is very low. However, for every bicyclist riding on roadways with cars, the laws of physics favor the heavier vehicle so every cyclist, e-bike or not, is at risk of injury and death in a cycle-automobile encounter. It's not that much different for motorcyclists as well.
Now, on bicycle and multi-use pathways, my view is not quite as lenient toward e-bikes. If the riders have to pedal and are speed limited, they're tolerable even though my personal experience is that e-bike riders often travel at unreasonable speeds in crowded conditions.
I was really hoping the OP was a superman pulling the kids in a trailer at 30mph without motorized assistance.
Now, on bicycle and multi-use pathways, my view is not quite as lenient toward e-bikes. If the riders have to pedal and are speed limited, they're tolerable even though my personal experience is that e-bike riders often travel at unreasonable speeds in crowded conditions.
I was really hoping the OP was a superman pulling the kids in a trailer at 30mph without motorized assistance.
Likes For alloo:
#37
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Hollister, CA (not the surf town)
Posts: 1,740
Bikes: 2019 Specialized Roubaix Comp Di2, 2009 Roubaix, early 90's Giant Iguana
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 644 Post(s)
Liked 1,537 Times
in
554 Posts
Why is going 30MPH on an e-bike more dangerous than you going 30MPH on a human powered bike? If they should be licensed and insured, then all bikes/riders capable of 30MPH should be also. In my estimation, it comes down to being responsible. You may say that e-bike riders are more likely to be irresponsible but there are plenty of bike riders that are as well. Punish the bad actors and leave the responsible people alone.
Not sure if it is still true but years ago, mopeds did not require a license in most places. The e-bike is the moped of today. Should there be some rules and guidelines? Of course.
Not sure if it is still true but years ago, mopeds did not require a license in most places. The e-bike is the moped of today. Should there be some rules and guidelines? Of course.
Likes For Ogsarg:
#38
Palmer
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 8,641
Bikes: Mike Melton custom, Alex Moulton AM, Dahon Curl
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1680 Post(s)
Liked 1,840 Times
in
1,069 Posts
#39
On Your Left
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
Posts: 8,373
Bikes: Trek Emonda SLR, Sram eTap, Zipp 303
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3004 Post(s)
Liked 2,434 Times
in
1,187 Posts
#40
Senior Member
50cc scooters are able to be ridden, unlicensed and unregistered, pretty much everywhere, and that has been the case for a long time. I didn't hear [m]any people moaning about that, so why do e-bikes have so many knickers in a twist all of a sudden?
EDIT: Missed the second page, where others have already covered this.
EDIT: Missed the second page, where others have already covered this.
#41
Senior Member
Interesting timing of this thread.
Driving on a fairly busy rural road on my way home from work tonight, I came up behind a cyclist. As I got closer I noticed he wan't pedaling so I assumed he was on an ebike. Hard to gauge his speed but he was going around 30 mph. I looked over as I passed him and the bike was a modern hybrid equipped with a gasoline engine, like a Whizzer.
Driving on a fairly busy rural road on my way home from work tonight, I came up behind a cyclist. As I got closer I noticed he wan't pedaling so I assumed he was on an ebike. Hard to gauge his speed but he was going around 30 mph. I looked over as I passed him and the bike was a modern hybrid equipped with a gasoline engine, like a Whizzer.
Likes For PepeM:
#43
Tortoise Wins by a Hare!
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Looney Tunes, IL
Posts: 7,398
Bikes: Wabi Special FG, Raleigh Roper, Nashbar AL-1, Miyata One Hundred, '70 Schwinn Lemonator and More!!
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1549 Post(s)
Liked 942 Times
in
504 Posts
Since the e-bikes are restricted by law to 20 mph I suggest this:
#44
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Hollister, CA (not the surf town)
Posts: 1,740
Bikes: 2019 Specialized Roubaix Comp Di2, 2009 Roubaix, early 90's Giant Iguana
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 644 Post(s)
Liked 1,537 Times
in
554 Posts
As far as how long the speed can be maintained, I don't see that as being all that relevant.
Likes For Ogsarg:
#45
SuperGimp
e-bikes are getting CHEAAAAAAP too! I just read a review for an Aventon 500 this morning. Basically $1400 for a 500W class 3 e-bike. Can't go over 20 without pedaling, 30 mile range.
I guess one concern would be that people who buy e-bikes as a first pedal powered mode of transport haven't developed the bike handling skills that they would have by the time they could get a human powered bike up to 30 mph. And there will be shenanigans, but I like 'em. More people on bikes is better for all of us.
I guess one concern would be that people who buy e-bikes as a first pedal powered mode of transport haven't developed the bike handling skills that they would have by the time they could get a human powered bike up to 30 mph. And there will be shenanigans, but I like 'em. More people on bikes is better for all of us.
#46
Palmer
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 8,641
Bikes: Mike Melton custom, Alex Moulton AM, Dahon Curl
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1680 Post(s)
Liked 1,840 Times
in
1,069 Posts
E-bike manufacturers are approaching the American market in a much smarter way, pushing for adoption of uniform legislation across as many states as possible. This will create a uniform market for uniform products to be sold across the country.
Whether or not it represents a 'good' for society, e-bike manufacturers of course are going to be against registration, licensing and insurance requirements for using their products.
#47
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Layton, UT
Posts: 1,606
Bikes: 2011 Bent TW Elegance 2014 Carbon Strada Velomobile
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 626 Post(s)
Liked 701 Times
in
418 Posts
In some areas, if you see someone on a motorized bicycle, that's exactly why. The small gas powered (and ridiculously loud, give me a nice quiet e-bike anytime) bikes are all over the place in AZ. Most of those are only limited by displacement, not power, and they can usually run ~30 mph pretty easily.
#48
Senior Member
And hopefully things stay that way. Making them a hassle will just ensure that more people stick to cars.
#49
Palmer
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 8,641
Bikes: Mike Melton custom, Alex Moulton AM, Dahon Curl
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1680 Post(s)
Liked 1,840 Times
in
1,069 Posts
https://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/mopeds-other/
https://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/Moped_Laws:_Europe
Asia is a little more complicated, varying from 'nobody cares' to 'locked up abroad'.
#50
On Your Left
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
Posts: 8,373
Bikes: Trek Emonda SLR, Sram eTap, Zipp 303
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3004 Post(s)
Liked 2,434 Times
in
1,187 Posts
When you look at the weight including the rider, the difference in bike weight isn't that significant and if weight is the concern, then a 140 pound rider on a 40 pound e-bike is less dangerous than a 200 pound person on a 16 pound non e-bike.
As far as how long the speed can be maintained, I don't see that as being all that relevant.
As far as how long the speed can be maintained, I don't see that as being all that relevant.
I can't unless i'm going down an incline.
But everyone can do 30mph on a e-bike.