Another Cyclist Hit On 99W Tigard, Oregon
03-01-13, 08:26 PM
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03-01-13, 11:41 PM
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03-02-13, 12:54 AM
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Comment below, excerpted:
... This guy nearly made it across the driveway when the motorist hit him. ....... This guy said he was going slow, and I THINK I overheard him say he was doing 15 mph. The posted speed is 35, and one night, a very long time ago, when traffic was nearly non-existent I hit 40mph (in the traffic lane).
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For those who want to blame the cyclist here, remember that Oregon is one of two states, along with Arizona, that gives cyclists in a bike lane the right-of-way over right-turning motorists. Legally, it is the motorist's responsibility to make sure the bike lane is clear before crossing over it and the motorist is not allowed to "take" the bike lane prior to making his/her turn.
This strange part of the vehicle code takes some getting used to. I'm much more comfortable taking the lane anywhere near potential right-hook problems, but this is what we deal with here.
This strange part of the vehicle code takes some getting used to. I'm much more comfortable taking the lane anywhere near potential right-hook problems, but this is what we deal with here.
Oregon law does require people driving to acknowledge the right of way of people riding bikes in the bike lane, but it's not smart, defensive riding to rely on them to consistently do so.
Don't states that don't require a clear path through the bike lane require right turning cars to merge with traffic in the bike lane (safely) before turning, just as if it were a motor vehicle lane?
That's the only thing that actually makes any sense anyway. Nobody would think that it would be a good idea to turn right from the 2nd motor lane over, there's no reason to think that the fact that the rightmost lane is really narrow is an excuse to cut across it.
That's the only thing that actually makes any sense anyway. Nobody would think that it would be a good idea to turn right from the 2nd motor lane over, there's no reason to think that the fact that the rightmost lane is really narrow is an excuse to cut across it.
I didn't do an exhaustive search, but what I've always heard, and which the pages I'm providing links for, I think, confirm is that Oregon law does not permit people to drive in the bike lane in advance of turns. Motor vehicles are generally supposed to stay out of the bike lane. They're permitted to cross over it to make the turn, but not to travel in it as a transition into turns. With respect to the use of bike lanes for turns, there's two, related laws that outline permitted motor vehicle use of them in Oregon:
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.435
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.440
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.435
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.440
03-02-13, 05:39 AM
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03-02-13, 06:28 AM
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No, they are not.
They are another reason for non-motorcyclists to think poorly about motorcyclists. Kinda like all those "scofflaw cyclists" bicycle riders motorists love to hate.
They are another reason for non-motorcyclists to think poorly about motorcyclists. Kinda like all those "scofflaw cyclists" bicycle riders motorists love to hate.
03-02-13, 08:16 AM
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Minnesota: "(g) Whenever it is necessary for the driver of a motor vehicle to cross a bicycle lane adjacent to the driver's lane of travel to make a turn, the driver shall drive the motor vehicle into the bicycle lane prior to making the turn, and shall make the turn, yielding the right-of-way to any vehicles approaching so close thereto as to constitute an immediate hazard."
03-02-13, 03:21 PM
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The thing that saves lives on anything two-wheeled is being hyper-aware 100% of the time.
03-02-13, 03:58 PM
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A cyclist can sure hear these SOBs. I can't hear the audio from my mp3 player until the jerks have passed and gone at least 300 yards up the road.
03-03-13, 07:07 AM
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I don't buy the loud pipes save lives argument either. the danger is from cars, and I live near a "scenic" drive that has hundreds of motorcycles a day on it on nice days. I really don't hear the pipes when they're heading towards me which is when they're at risk of pull-outs, left crosses, etc which is the main danger. I do hear them after they've passed, for quite a while. This does no good.
There are quite a few motorcycles that actually are so loud that they cause me physical pain in my ears, to the point where I start to think that I should pull over and put fingers in ears when I see them in my mirror, and I can't believe that they're not causing permanent damage every time they pass me. I'd be happy to see these people ticketed.
There are quite a few motorcycles that actually are so loud that they cause me physical pain in my ears, to the point where I start to think that I should pull over and put fingers in ears when I see them in my mirror, and I can't believe that they're not causing permanent damage every time they pass me. I'd be happy to see these people ticketed.
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03-03-13, 03:36 PM
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"the loud pipes save lives" claims started long before car became sound proofed coffins. There once was a time when the loud pipes often did make a difference for motorcycling safety. Any motorcyclist the relies on that these days, is a fool.
There is no longer any point to the rude noise.
There is no longer any point to the rude noise.
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03-03-13, 04:31 PM
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A lot of motorcyclists with loud pipes fail to realize how far their sound signature will travel, on cold mornings/evenings I can hear them, from my home, quite clearly pulling onto the freeway some 3 miles away.
03-03-13, 05:22 PM
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The open pipes guys in my neck of the woods are usually riding Harleys. Figures, the slowest, fattest bikes with the slowest, fattest riders just have to be the loudest. The fast, hot bikes are usually running mufflers.
There is a weirdly parallel thing with four wheelers too. The loudest vehicles in my area are the 3/4 ton diesel pickup trucks with empty beds.
A guy on my block owns both a Harley and a diesel P/U. Sigh.
There is a weirdly parallel thing with four wheelers too. The loudest vehicles in my area are the 3/4 ton diesel pickup trucks with empty beds.
A guy on my block owns both a Harley and a diesel P/U. Sigh.
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