Tire Cracking and Tire Balm
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Tire Cracking and Tire Balm
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Is it safe and effective to use a tire rubber conditioner? I know Amour All is not safe due to making the tread slippery. But I bought an automotive product called 303 Tire Balm, that claims UV and ozone protection for tires.
Backstory and more info:
I replaced my Continental GP 4000 II tires last week, they had 10,800 miles on them. The tires are 14 months old (on the bike, not the manufacture date), and when the bike is not in use, it is garaged.
I love these tires for their grip, low rolling resistance and long life.
But I didn't replace them because they were worn out. The tires deeply cracked on the shoulder of the tread. Not quite the sidewall, in a heavily leaning curve, the cracks could contact the pavement. The cracks went around 95% of the entire tire, on both sides and both tires.
A web search provided guesses that this is due to ozone or UV damaging the rubber, or both.
I applied 303 Tire Balm (an automotive product) to both new tires, a GP 4000 IIs on the front, and the new GP 5000 on the rear. Unfortunately, it did make the the rubber feel very slick to the touch. However, after a very cautious start, the traction felt normal and the slickness disappeared quickly from the rubber that made contact with the pavement.
It would be great if I could get the full tread life out of my tires. Is anyone using tire balm products and are they safe and effective?
Is it safe and effective to use a tire rubber conditioner? I know Amour All is not safe due to making the tread slippery. But I bought an automotive product called 303 Tire Balm, that claims UV and ozone protection for tires.
Backstory and more info:
I replaced my Continental GP 4000 II tires last week, they had 10,800 miles on them. The tires are 14 months old (on the bike, not the manufacture date), and when the bike is not in use, it is garaged.
I love these tires for their grip, low rolling resistance and long life.
But I didn't replace them because they were worn out. The tires deeply cracked on the shoulder of the tread. Not quite the sidewall, in a heavily leaning curve, the cracks could contact the pavement. The cracks went around 95% of the entire tire, on both sides and both tires.
A web search provided guesses that this is due to ozone or UV damaging the rubber, or both.
I applied 303 Tire Balm (an automotive product) to both new tires, a GP 4000 IIs on the front, and the new GP 5000 on the rear. Unfortunately, it did make the the rubber feel very slick to the touch. However, after a very cautious start, the traction felt normal and the slickness disappeared quickly from the rubber that made contact with the pavement.
It would be great if I could get the full tread life out of my tires. Is anyone using tire balm products and are they safe and effective?
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I do not worry about minor cracking/checking of the external rubber, the strength of a tire is in the fabric cords. As long as the tread doesn't start peeling I ride them until they wear out.
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I've seen cracked bicycle tires so I know it's a thing. But I've never experienced it on my own tires.
I suspect the differences have more to do with exposure to ozone or other contaminants, not UV. My bikes are have always been stored in my home, not a garage or shed.
But that doesn't guarantee protection from ozone. I've seen some pretty horrendous effects from ozone contamination on plastics. Back in the 1980s my grandparents tried those gimmicky ionic air cleaners, which basically were just ozone generators. Probably made the air worse for my granddad, who had COPD. And every bit of plastic or rubber within a few feet of each ionic air cleaner was crackled. I had to replace several electrical cords, face plates for electrical outlets, threaded lamp bulb bases, switches and lamps with exposed wires after the insulation had cracked, etc.
The worst case I've seen was a neighbor's TV. She was in her 80s, a lifelong heavy smoker and her entire apartment was coated in a sticky brownish yellow residue from smoking. One day she asked me to check her cable TV connection because the reception was poor. When I turned the TV around to access the connections, the entire rear panel of the TV crumbled like crackers. The residue from her smoking had coated everything inside the TV and it was spewing ozone. The entire TV cabinet was so fragile I had to gently nudge it into a big cardboard box so I could haul it away. It wouldn't support its own weight by the TV itself. I can only imagine what that was doing to her respiratory system. She was a tough old bird, although later that year she had to go to a nursing home.
Long story short, check your garage for ozone generators. Telltale signs will be noticeably yellowed plastics that use to be off-white. The yellowing will be worst closer to the source. Check your home too. I suspect doodads like plug-in air fresheners may also become ozone generators.
I suspect the differences have more to do with exposure to ozone or other contaminants, not UV. My bikes are have always been stored in my home, not a garage or shed.
But that doesn't guarantee protection from ozone. I've seen some pretty horrendous effects from ozone contamination on plastics. Back in the 1980s my grandparents tried those gimmicky ionic air cleaners, which basically were just ozone generators. Probably made the air worse for my granddad, who had COPD. And every bit of plastic or rubber within a few feet of each ionic air cleaner was crackled. I had to replace several electrical cords, face plates for electrical outlets, threaded lamp bulb bases, switches and lamps with exposed wires after the insulation had cracked, etc.
The worst case I've seen was a neighbor's TV. She was in her 80s, a lifelong heavy smoker and her entire apartment was coated in a sticky brownish yellow residue from smoking. One day she asked me to check her cable TV connection because the reception was poor. When I turned the TV around to access the connections, the entire rear panel of the TV crumbled like crackers. The residue from her smoking had coated everything inside the TV and it was spewing ozone. The entire TV cabinet was so fragile I had to gently nudge it into a big cardboard box so I could haul it away. It wouldn't support its own weight by the TV itself. I can only imagine what that was doing to her respiratory system. She was a tough old bird, although later that year she had to go to a nursing home.
Long story short, check your garage for ozone generators. Telltale signs will be noticeably yellowed plastics that use to be off-white. The yellowing will be worst closer to the source. Check your home too. I suspect doodads like plug-in air fresheners may also become ozone generators.
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Brush-type electric motors generate ozone due to arcing at the brushes. UV also ionizes O2 forming ozone,O3 . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone
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I occasionally use "protectant" on tires (auto & bike) & often bag them in my basement. I think they are safe & helpful
reminds me approx 10 yrs ago I bought a '70s road bike w/ the original tires. the guy wanted $25 I gave him $20 cuz it was a long drive. was gonna use this bike for commuting 34 miles round trip. I could see the tires were nasty & had some cracking but they held air & the tread looked rideable. chose a quiet Sunday for a test run. about 14 miles into the 17 mile leg, I started hearing popping sounds. it was the side wall cords shredding & one tire started to bulge in one spot. turned around & made it home
don't know if they make tires as tough as they used to, but at just under 11k miles, sounds like you already got your money's worth. no?
reminds me approx 10 yrs ago I bought a '70s road bike w/ the original tires. the guy wanted $25 I gave him $20 cuz it was a long drive. was gonna use this bike for commuting 34 miles round trip. I could see the tires were nasty & had some cracking but they held air & the tread looked rideable. chose a quiet Sunday for a test run. about 14 miles into the 17 mile leg, I started hearing popping sounds. it was the side wall cords shredding & one tire started to bulge in one spot. turned around & made it home
don't know if they make tires as tough as they used to, but at just under 11k miles, sounds like you already got your money's worth. no?
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I occasionally use "protectant" on tires (auto & bike) & often bag them in my basement. I think they are safe & helpful
reminds me approx 10 yrs ago I bought a '70s road bike w/ the original tires. the guy wanted $25 I gave him $20 cuz it was a long drive. was gonna use this bike for commuting 34 miles round trip. I could see the tires were nasty & had some cracking but they held air & the tread looked rideable. chose a quiet Sunday for a test run. about 14 miles into the 17 mile leg, I started hearing popping sounds. it was the side wall cords shredding & one tire started to bulge in one spot. turned around & made it home
don't know if they make tires as tough as they used to, but at just under 11k miles, sounds like you already got your money's worth. no?
reminds me approx 10 yrs ago I bought a '70s road bike w/ the original tires. the guy wanted $25 I gave him $20 cuz it was a long drive. was gonna use this bike for commuting 34 miles round trip. I could see the tires were nasty & had some cracking but they held air & the tread looked rideable. chose a quiet Sunday for a test run. about 14 miles into the 17 mile leg, I started hearing popping sounds. it was the side wall cords shredding & one tire started to bulge in one spot. turned around & made it home
don't know if they make tires as tough as they used to, but at just under 11k miles, sounds like you already got your money's worth. no?
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i have used water based 303 Aerospace protectant on bicycle tires and brake hoods with no issues with wet or dry traction. Probably same stuff as the 303 tire dressing. I have noticed a significant extension of brake hood life over no application between 2 bikes using the same shimano hoods. I am still experimenting with tire application.
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I occasionally use "protectant" on tires (auto & bike) & often bag them in my basement. I think they are safe & helpful
reminds me approx 10 yrs ago I bought a '70s road bike w/ the original tires. the guy wanted $25 I gave him $20 cuz it was a long drive. was gonna use this bike for commuting 34 miles round trip. I could see the tires were nasty & had some cracking but they held air & the tread looked rideable. chose a quiet Sunday for a test run. about 14 miles into the 17 mile leg, I started hearing popping sounds. it was the side wall cords shredding & one tire started to bulge in one spot. turned around & made it home
don't know if they make tires as tough as they used to, but at just under 11k miles, sounds like you already got your money's worth. no?
reminds me approx 10 yrs ago I bought a '70s road bike w/ the original tires. the guy wanted $25 I gave him $20 cuz it was a long drive. was gonna use this bike for commuting 34 miles round trip. I could see the tires were nasty & had some cracking but they held air & the tread looked rideable. chose a quiet Sunday for a test run. about 14 miles into the 17 mile leg, I started hearing popping sounds. it was the side wall cords shredding & one tire started to bulge in one spot. turned around & made it home
don't know if they make tires as tough as they used to, but at just under 11k miles, sounds like you already got your money's worth. no?
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I've seen cracked bicycle tires so I know it's a thing. But I've never experienced it on my own tires.
I suspect the differences have more to do with exposure to ozone or other contaminants, not UV. My bikes are have always been stored in my home, not a garage or shed.
But that doesn't guarantee protection from ozone. I've seen some pretty horrendous effects from ozone contamination on plastics. Back in the 1980s my grandparents tried those gimmicky ionic air cleaners, which basically were just ozone generators. Probably made the air worse for my granddad, who had COPD. And every bit of plastic or rubber within a few feet of each ionic air cleaner was crackled. I had to replace several electrical cords, face plates for electrical outlets, threaded lamp bulb bases, switches and lamps with exposed wires after the insulation had cracked, etc.
The worst case I've seen was a neighbor's TV. She was in her 80s, a lifelong heavy smoker and her entire apartment was coated in a sticky brownish yellow residue from smoking. One day she asked me to check her cable TV connection because the reception was poor. When I turned the TV around to access the connections, the entire rear panel of the TV crumbled like crackers. The residue from her smoking had coated everything inside the TV and it was spewing ozone. The entire TV cabinet was so fragile I had to gently nudge it into a big cardboard box so I could haul it away. It wouldn't support its own weight by the TV itself. I can only imagine what that was doing to her respiratory system. She was a tough old bird, although later that year she had to go to a nursing home.
Long story short, check your garage for ozone generators. Telltale signs will be noticeably yellowed plastics that use to be off-white. The yellowing will be worst closer to the source. Check your home too. I suspect doodads like plug-in air fresheners may also become ozone generators.
I suspect the differences have more to do with exposure to ozone or other contaminants, not UV. My bikes are have always been stored in my home, not a garage or shed.
But that doesn't guarantee protection from ozone. I've seen some pretty horrendous effects from ozone contamination on plastics. Back in the 1980s my grandparents tried those gimmicky ionic air cleaners, which basically were just ozone generators. Probably made the air worse for my granddad, who had COPD. And every bit of plastic or rubber within a few feet of each ionic air cleaner was crackled. I had to replace several electrical cords, face plates for electrical outlets, threaded lamp bulb bases, switches and lamps with exposed wires after the insulation had cracked, etc.
The worst case I've seen was a neighbor's TV. She was in her 80s, a lifelong heavy smoker and her entire apartment was coated in a sticky brownish yellow residue from smoking. One day she asked me to check her cable TV connection because the reception was poor. When I turned the TV around to access the connections, the entire rear panel of the TV crumbled like crackers. The residue from her smoking had coated everything inside the TV and it was spewing ozone. The entire TV cabinet was so fragile I had to gently nudge it into a big cardboard box so I could haul it away. It wouldn't support its own weight by the TV itself. I can only imagine what that was doing to her respiratory system. She was a tough old bird, although later that year she had to go to a nursing home.
Long story short, check your garage for ozone generators. Telltale signs will be noticeably yellowed plastics that use to be off-white. The yellowing will be worst closer to the source. Check your home too. I suspect doodads like plug-in air fresheners may also become ozone generators.
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I occasionally use "protectant" on tires (auto & bike) & often bag them in my basement. I think they are safe & helpful
reminds me approx 10 yrs ago I bought a '70s road bike w/ the original tires. the guy wanted $25 I gave him $20 cuz it was a long drive. was gonna use this bike for commuting 34 miles round trip. I could see the tires were nasty & had some cracking but they held air & the tread looked rideable. chose a quiet Sunday for a test run. about 14 miles into the 17 mile leg, I started hearing popping sounds. it was the side wall cords shredding & one tire started to bulge in one spot. turned around & made it home
don't know if they make tires as tough as they used to, but at just under 11k miles, sounds like you already got your money's worth. no?
reminds me approx 10 yrs ago I bought a '70s road bike w/ the original tires. the guy wanted $25 I gave him $20 cuz it was a long drive. was gonna use this bike for commuting 34 miles round trip. I could see the tires were nasty & had some cracking but they held air & the tread looked rideable. chose a quiet Sunday for a test run. about 14 miles into the 17 mile leg, I started hearing popping sounds. it was the side wall cords shredding & one tire started to bulge in one spot. turned around & made it home
don't know if they make tires as tough as they used to, but at just under 11k miles, sounds like you already got your money's worth. no?
You're right, 10K+ miles out of bicycle tires is not bad at all. And I won't be going hungry becase I had to buy tires. On the other hand, I don't have money to burn, so as I mentioned earlier, I would like to get the full, safe tread life for my money.
Bagging is a good idea. But I ride year round, so it's not practical for me.
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i have used water based 303 Aerospace protectant on bicycle tires and brake hoods with no issues with wet or dry traction. Probably same stuff as the 303 tire dressing. I have noticed a significant extension of brake hood life over no application between 2 bikes using the same shimano hoods. I am still experimenting with tire application.
I'll try to remember to resurect this thread a year or so from now, and report as to if the tire balm made a difference. Also if the new Conti 5000 holds up better than the tried and true 4000.
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If your tires last 10,800 miles, you are already winning. Magic tire lotion isn't going to improve on that.
The CA cancer warning appears on pretty much everything you can imagine, which of course has the opposite effect of a warning.
The CA cancer warning appears on pretty much everything you can imagine, which of course has the opposite effect of a warning.
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Out of curiosity, what tires are you running, and what is their average life in miles?
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In my case, there is no need. If I want to ride in snow, I take my hybrid instead of the street bike. And in the past two winters, Louisville has seen lots of rain but very little snow. If it’s icy, I stay home.
I do occasionally get caught in the rain, but in that case I just slow down some and the Continental 4000’s have always provided good wet traction.
I do occasionally get caught in the rain, but in that case I just slow down some and the Continental 4000’s have always provided good wet traction.
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UV protection and rubber protection is not magic. It is the science of chemistry. How well any particular product works varies. Especially for off label uses like bicycle tires. Which was the reason for my post to this forum full of experienced cyclists like you who enjoy sharing their knowledge and experience.
Out of curiosity, what tires are you running, and what is their average life in miles?
My current tires are gumwalls, which would be more vulnerable to ozone and UV damage on the sidewalls, but haven't run into that issue.
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TL, DR:
Is it safe and effective to use a tire rubber conditioner? I know Amour All is not safe due to making the tread slippery. But I bought an automotive product called 303 Tire Balm, that claims UV and ozone protection for tires.
Backstory and more info:
I replaced my Continental GP 4000 II tires last week, they had 10,800 miles on them. The tires are 14 months old (on the bike, not the manufacture date), and when the bike is not in use, it is garaged.
I love these tires for their grip, low rolling resistance and long life.
But I didn't replace them because they were worn out. The tires deeply cracked on the shoulder of the tread. Not quite the sidewall, in a heavily leaning curve, the cracks could contact the pavement. The cracks went around 95% of the entire tire, on both sides and both tires.
A web search provided guesses that this is due to ozone or UV damaging the rubber, or both.
I applied 303 Tire Balm (an automotive product) to both new tires, a GP 4000 IIs on the front, and the new GP 5000 on the rear. Unfortunately, it did make the the rubber feel very slick to the touch. However, after a very cautious start, the traction felt normal and the slickness disappeared quickly from the rubber that made contact with the pavement.
It would be great if I could get the full tread life out of my tires. Is anyone using tire balm products and are they safe and effective?
Is it safe and effective to use a tire rubber conditioner? I know Amour All is not safe due to making the tread slippery. But I bought an automotive product called 303 Tire Balm, that claims UV and ozone protection for tires.
Backstory and more info:
I replaced my Continental GP 4000 II tires last week, they had 10,800 miles on them. The tires are 14 months old (on the bike, not the manufacture date), and when the bike is not in use, it is garaged.
I love these tires for their grip, low rolling resistance and long life.
But I didn't replace them because they were worn out. The tires deeply cracked on the shoulder of the tread. Not quite the sidewall, in a heavily leaning curve, the cracks could contact the pavement. The cracks went around 95% of the entire tire, on both sides and both tires.
A web search provided guesses that this is due to ozone or UV damaging the rubber, or both.
I applied 303 Tire Balm (an automotive product) to both new tires, a GP 4000 IIs on the front, and the new GP 5000 on the rear. Unfortunately, it did make the the rubber feel very slick to the touch. However, after a very cautious start, the traction felt normal and the slickness disappeared quickly from the rubber that made contact with the pavement.
It would be great if I could get the full tread life out of my tires. Is anyone using tire balm products and are they safe and effective?
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The tires did not crack on the seams. The balm is not for flexing, but for UV and ozone, which is known to degrade rubber.
Yes, I do think that safety critical items like tires should not fail in their expected useful life. For tires in general, that life is generally defined as: manufactured less than six years ago, no road hazard damage, no abuse, and safe tread remaining.
That said, after considering your mention of flex, I now realize that more than likely the cause of failure is that I probably ran these tires underinflated.
Here’s how that happened. The tire size in question is 700 x 28C. I like 85 to 90 PSI, and I maintain it carefully. The max stamped into the rubber sidewall on the removed GP 4000’s say “max 116 PSI”, and oddly, the painted on decal says “115 PSI max”. Maybe the 1 pound difference is a rounding error when converting from Bar, but it is unusual to see a tire sidewall disagree with itself. More importantly, unlike most tires, there is no minimum PSI on the sidewall.
I found out about these tires on bicyclerollingresistance.com, where they were tested at 60, 80, 100, and 120 PSI. Their review is the reason I bought the tires.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...0s-ii-23-25-28
I checked the Continental website, and the regular folding GP 4000 tires are already removed since the new GP 5000 is out. Checking the GP 5000 700 x 28C, the inflation is listed at 95-115 PSI.
https://www.continental-tires.com/bi...rand-prix-5000
From having read the review at rollingresistance, I got the idea that 80 to 90 PSI would be no problem at all.
I think that was wrong. The rubber splitting on the tires at the edge of the tread is consistent with under inflation, and I now consider that to be the likely cause. I previously discarded that possibility because I mistakenly thought that 85 PSI was well in the safe inflation range for these tires.
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Your tires seem expensive. The schwalbe marathon in the same size is only $16 per tire.
I replace tires almost every 2 years when sharp objects start to puncture after the tire and plastic greenguard weakens with age. Before that, I never get punctures. If I continue to use them longer then 2 years, then the frequency of punctures start to increase.
I replace tires almost every 2 years when sharp objects start to puncture after the tire and plastic greenguard weakens with age. Before that, I never get punctures. If I continue to use them longer then 2 years, then the frequency of punctures start to increase.
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i have used water based 303 Aerospace protectant on bicycle tires and brake hoods with no issues with wet or dry traction. Probably same stuff as the 303 tire dressing. I have noticed a significant extension of brake hood life over no application between 2 bikes using the same shimano hoods. I am still experimenting with tire application.
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Your tires seem expensive. The schwalbe marathon in the same size is only $16 per tire.
I replace tires almost every 2 years when sharp objects start to puncture after the tire and plastic greenguard weakens with age. Before that, I never get punctures. If I continue to use them longer then 2 years, then the frequency of punctures start to increase.
I replace tires almost every 2 years when sharp objects start to puncture after the tire and plastic greenguard weakens with age. Before that, I never get punctures. If I continue to use them longer then 2 years, then the frequency of punctures start to increase.
When I was a teenager, I used to buy the cheapest tires I could find for my cheap used cars. Then I happened to buy a used car with Michelins. Soon after, I had a car turn left in front of me when I was doing 50 or so MPH. A violent emergency avoidance maneuver ensued. No crash resulted.
After the incident, I marveled at the grip of the Michelins compared to the cheap tires during emergency avoidance on other cars that I had driven for years. With the cheap tires, I would have gone into a sideways skid, instead of the quick snap to the left and even faster snap back to the right to back into my own lane and get out of the way of head on traffic.
For lots of stuff, “premium” is a waste of money. I sure as hell didn’t save enough money to retire early by buying the best of everything. But for tires, I will never buy anything but premium.
And with bicycle tires, better tires come with a much lower rolling resistance (true for cars too, but no feels the difference in their legs). I do ride for fun and fitness, but I’d rather go farther and faster for the same amount of effort.
The OEM WTB brand tires that came on my Cannondale were down to the cord on the rear wheel at 3,900 miles. I would have easily got triple that mileage out of my GP 4000s, plus they are safer due to better grip, plus they save 20 to 30 watts of muscle power compared to low end tires.
I’ve made my choices. Make your own choice and pay your own money.
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TL, DR:
Is it safe and effective to use a tire rubber conditioner? I know Amour All is not safe due to making the tread slippery. But I bought an automotive product called 303 Tire Balm, that claims UV and ozone protection for tires.
Backstory and more info:
I replaced my Continental GP 4000 II tires last week, they had 10,800 miles on them. The tires are 14 months old (on the bike, not the manufacture date), and when the bike is not in use, it is garaged.
Is it safe and effective to use a tire rubber conditioner? I know Amour All is not safe due to making the tread slippery. But I bought an automotive product called 303 Tire Balm, that claims UV and ozone protection for tires.
Backstory and more info:
I replaced my Continental GP 4000 II tires last week, they had 10,800 miles on them. The tires are 14 months old (on the bike, not the manufacture date), and when the bike is not in use, it is garaged.
Around here it takes years to make tires crack, no matter the price and no matter the vehicle they are mounted on. In my limited experience, I've only seen bike tires crack once they are around 6 years old or older.
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Do you know when the tires were made? Certainly 10,800 miles in 14 months on the road shouldn't make the tires develop cracks.
Around here it takes years to make tires crack, no matter the price and no matter the vehicle they are mounted on. In my limited experience, I've only seen bike tires crack once they are around 6 years old or older.
Around here it takes years to make tires crack, no matter the price and no matter the vehicle they are mounted on. In my limited experience, I've only seen bike tires crack once they are around 6 years old or older.
I ran the tires at 85 PSI, which turns out to be underinflated. Why I thought 85 was ok is detailed in my long winded post #20 in this thread.
Anyway, looking at the tires, I see "1618" hot stamped in the sidewall. Everything else is moulded in. No way for me to know for sure, but taking into account European date style, 1618 may represent June 1, 2018.