1977 Raleigh Professional MKV: braze-on cable guides on TT, really?
12-06-23, 10:20 AM
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with this, no discussion needed-
https://dentoncycles.co.uk/my-ti-raleigh-sbdu-blog/?amp
12-06-23, 11:24 AM
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very useful information
with this, no discussion needed-
https://dentoncycles.co.uk/my-ti-raleigh-sbdu-blog/?amp
with this, no discussion needed-
https://dentoncycles.co.uk/my-ti-raleigh-sbdu-blog/?amp
12-06-23, 12:15 PM
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No, I went there because I had heard from Reynolds that every American had failed the 753 test. In the beginning one had to summit a complete frame out of 753 to demonstrate one could braze it properly and have it end up in alignment in order to be able to buy 753 tubing. The methods commonly used in the UK at the time were pretty crude so one couldn't use those methods to build a frame out of thin walled heat treated 753. I wanted to know how Raleigh at the SBDU works made their frames (if there were any special techniques) that I should know before attempting the test myself. I made an appointment to meet with Gerald O'Donovan the boss but fortunately I was detained on the way and as a result late for my appointment. So when I got there O'Donovan was out for lunch (or something). Not wanting to waste my time sitting in the office (nobody was in there) I went over to the workshop (it was in a separate building) and asked the foreman if I could hang out there waiting for O'Donovan. I spent a good 45 minutes seeing how they did things before the boss returned and chased me out. What I learned was that the methods I used in principle were suitable for making frames out of thin walled heat treated tubing. There still isn't a week that goes by 46 years later where I realize how fortunate I was to learn how to build frames at Ellis Briggs in Shipley West Yorkshire. Their building methods emphasized quality so their procedures would work just fine making a straight frame. Except it was necessary to use silver instead of brass.
The reason I asked was because I've always wondered how the collaboration between the team and Ilkeston worked. It's no surprise that Peter Post and Jan Legrand got along well, but man, it must have been challenging to work with those two. Jan had ridden for Raleigh in the sixties as a pro. During that time he'd build his own frames and just put Raleigh decals on it. I can imagine a certain lack of enthusiasm in Ilkeston ...
12-14-23, 03:51 AM
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Frame just received. Cable guides work is visible, and the frame looks it has been repainted, even though a long time ago. There’s a 35M stamped just beneath the serial number. Puzzling feature, the headbadge is a sticker and the old HB rivet holes have been suppressed, wonder why???
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12-14-23, 06:44 AM
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I’m not real sure about that stamp on the BB shell. Mine , and others I’ve seen have the serial number on the shell. It could be because it is a European model.
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12-14-23, 07:10 AM
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12-14-23, 08:05 AM
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According to the previous owner the mods and respray were circa 1987. CyclArt did the work, frame sported the chainstay decal.
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12-14-23, 09:09 AM
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‘that firm was very eager to up sell resprays with modifications. No historic honor there. But not a rare bike. No editorial comment on the Confente they added a braze on front derailleur tab to. (Might have done that twice)
12-14-23, 03:06 PM
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Yes there’s of course the Worksop serial. But while on my other MK V, like on yours, there’s a 4 stamped, here it’s an F plus this 35M…
12-14-23, 07:58 PM
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Maybe someone will come along that knows what the extra stamps mean.
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