Criterium Cannondale, any good?
05-02-23, 01:14 PM
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If you ride your bike on gravel then it is a Gravel Bike. It never gets more complicated than that. Many cyclists on here realized long ago that their ______ bike can be a ________ bike. For example: Folks were racing on their Raleigh Internationals and touring on their Raleigh Professionals. Folks on other forums suggest that a gravel bike needs disk brakes and clearance for 42s. I think think the OP should put some 25mm Gatroskins on that Crit bike and ride it in EroicaCA. I think there is some gravel on that course to see if it is a Real Gravel Bike.
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If you ride your bike on gravel then it is a Gravel Bike. It never gets more complicated than that. Many cyclists on here realized long ago that their ______ bike can be a ________ bike. For example: Folks were racing on their Raleigh Internationals and touring on their Raleigh Professionals. Folks on other forums suggest that a gravel bike needs disk brakes and clearance for 42s. I think think the OP should put some 25mm Gatroskins on that Crit bike and ride it in EroicaCA. I think there is some gravel on that course to see if it is a Real Gravel Bike.
A Yeti FS MTB is a track bike if you use it on a velodrome.
A pennyfarthing is a TT bike if you line it up at the local trials.
A tandem is a DH bike if you can convince some dummy to ride it down a mountain with you.
yada yada yada.
And yet, no.
While any of these bikes can be used for those purposes, they clearly werent designed for those purposes and other bikes are more capable for those purposes. If you are at the beginning, why start with a tool that isnt even remotely designed for your intended use?
"Hey, wanna ride this weekend?"
"I would love to, but I have to remove an old oak tree in my backyard. Ill be busy taking it down with this jewelers saw I just bought!"
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Is this proprietary to the year/model I can't find any similar, cheers
It's definitely a keeper and with my Super Sport Schwinn and Reparto Corse Bianchi i feel lucky.
i need help. there is a sweet Bianchi, 600 Arabesque, Brooks saddle on S.F. CList for
$100 or offers. Please pick it up before I do!!!
It's definitely a keeper and with my Super Sport Schwinn and Reparto Corse Bianchi i feel lucky.
i need help. there is a sweet Bianchi, 600 Arabesque, Brooks saddle on S.F. CList for
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05-02-23, 05:37 PM
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A Cannondale Criterium for a gravel bike??
Based on my younger brother who shrugs off pain like nothing, it's a bad idea.
Even when he was young when he bought it in the mid 80's and in college and with a butt made of steel he complained about its overly hard ride.
He kept the bike anyway, all these years but finally gave up on it and sold it after he tried tiding it again recently and was tortured by the pain..
Based on my younger brother who shrugs off pain like nothing, it's a bad idea.
Even when he was young when he bought it in the mid 80's and in college and with a butt made of steel he complained about its overly hard ride.
He kept the bike anyway, all these years but finally gave up on it and sold it after he tried tiding it again recently and was tortured by the pain..
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05-02-23, 06:45 PM
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A "I am thinking about buying this crit bike with an infamously stiff and limited clearance rear triangle."
B "Why would you want to use a crit bike on gravel?"
A "Why WOULDNT I do that?!?!"
I have noticed this narrative often plays out with someone who wants to try out gravel, doesnt want to spend money on a new bike(reasonable), and wants to repurpose a bike for frame they already have since its easier/cheaper.
It really seems to be seen in the c&v forum too, since repurposing/upcycling/saving is a natural mentality within the forum, and many are borderline hoarders so they have plenty of frames, wheels, etc.
Everyone is different in terms of comfort and stability tolerance, and everyone rides on surfaces that vary widely. With that said, I just dont understand why anyone would want to ride general gravel using anything smaller than a 32. And really, that would be for situations where the gravel is a brief connector to paved, or it is dry smooth hardpack.
Anything where gravel is the predominant surface for the ride and it isnt just a hardpack limestone path or dry smooth hardpack, I would want at least a 38mm tire. I use 43 now because why not- it isnt goofy wide and it allows for plenty of size to help ensure the tire doesnt dig into the loose surface, and gives me some build in comfort for the rough surfaces.
On a similar note, I wouldnt want to try downhill skiing for the first time with cross country skis.
Funny my first downhill in Vermont was on cross country ski's. I'm gonna stick with my 1996 Stumpjumper for the boat ,it handles the salt air well with marine grease.
The Crit stays as is until I can follow an earlier suggestion of swapping out the Campy for full Dura Ace.
05-02-23, 08:50 PM
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I’m glad mstateglfr was not writing SAT Analogy problems back in the day—My verbal score would have been even lower.
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05-03-23, 03:03 PM
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I’m glad mstateglfr was not writing SAT Analogy problems back in the day—My verbal score would have been even lower.
I just find the often used claim that 'any bike is a gravel bike if you ride it on gravel!' is said in order to either intentionally miss the point, or because the person is trying to be profound and misses the mark bigly.
Of course an old 70s bike with clearance for 32s or 35s can be ridden on hardpack roads. And yes, Ritchey rode all thru the SC mountains with Brandt and others using 20mm sewups or whatever is now claimed. Sure, all that is real. But I also rode my '92 GT Performer in the road as a kid and would have thought someone was a moron if they called it a road bike just because it was sometimes ridden on roads.
Categorizing bikes and recognizing that there are fundamental design differences between various categories doesnt inherently complicate things, contrary to popular belief. And that doesnt mean crossover cant exist.
Clearly I am grumpy about this, sorry that I ranted at you about it. I just see the c&v forum pull this out sometimes when gravel is mentioned, as if its profound, when its really quite the opposite.
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I tried a set of modern Jones bars on a “95 Marin and they were just too wide for me aesthetically
But I was on a race team in the mid 90’s and off season long Saturday rides were “gravel rides”. Meaning we just took our mountain bikes out on gravel roads in the Oklahoma back country
05-04-23, 09:02 AM
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The Last Word:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/grav...ld-as-cycling/
OR
My last word: "A gravel bike is rigid 29er with drop bars."
https://www.renehersecycles.com/grav...ld-as-cycling/
OR
My last word: "A gravel bike is rigid 29er with drop bars."
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The Last Word:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/grav...ld-as-cycling/
OR
My last word: "A gravel bike is rigid 29er with drop bars."
https://www.renehersecycles.com/grav...ld-as-cycling/
OR
My last word: "A gravel bike is rigid 29er with drop bars."
But since I am easily baited and read thru the article full of Jan's typical babbling, I will toss up some of his words.
Locally, we had the Spokane River Roubaix – which I raced way back in the 1990s with my college cycling team (above). We all entered the race on our road bikes, with 21.5 mm tubular tires! We were definitely ‘grinding’ through the loose gravel back then. I remember it was epic, but not that much fun – simply because we didn’t have bikes suitable for gravel yet.
The popularity of ‘gravel’ has gone hand in hand with the development of gravel bikes. The early gravel events saw riders on cyclocross bikes, touring bikes with knobby tires, mountain bikes, and even some mid-century French bikes like my Jo Routens. That’s changed completely – today there’s a vast selection of purpose-built gravel and all-road bikes for all tastes and riding styles.
"Hey guys, did you know a track bike is any bike that you use to ride on a track? Yup, that sure is true! Arent I insightful? Why sure Tommy, that full suspension Trek Session is going to be a blast to ride on the track! Its a track bike now! Dont worry about the 61deg STA or the 63deg HTA. That 21mm BB drop and 136mm of trail are perfect for the track because everyone knows any bike you ride on a track is a track bike!"
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BINGO! These two overused references just helped me complete my Bingo card of deep insights that arent actually insightful - an article by pseudo-stats guy Jan, and the comical claim that a gravel bike is a rigid 29er with drops.
But since I am easily baited and read thru the article full of Jan's typical babbling, I will toss up some of his words.
"Hey guys, did you know a track bike is any bike that you use to ride on a track? Yup, that sure is true! Arent I insightful? Why sure Tommy, that full suspension Trek Session is going to be a blast to ride on the track! Its a track bike now! Dont worry about the 61deg STA or the 63deg HTA. That 21mm BB drop and 136mm of trail are perfect for the track because everyone knows any bike you ride on a track is a track bike!"
But since I am easily baited and read thru the article full of Jan's typical babbling, I will toss up some of his words.
"Hey guys, did you know a track bike is any bike that you use to ride on a track? Yup, that sure is true! Arent I insightful? Why sure Tommy, that full suspension Trek Session is going to be a blast to ride on the track! Its a track bike now! Dont worry about the 61deg STA or the 63deg HTA. That 21mm BB drop and 136mm of trail are perfect for the track because everyone knows any bike you ride on a track is a track bike!"
havent totally figured out how to marginalize this type of bike to stop people from putting a
Raleigh Grand Prix on a boat and thinķing it's a boat bike
