Twelve speed - let's talk about it.
08-07-16, 08:12 PM
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Yup !! What's the obsession with eliminating the front derailleur ?
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08-07-16, 08:13 PM
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So where does the 12 fill in a gap, or add to the sides, of an 11 speed cassette?
11-28 is pretty decent.
11-32 is pretty decent too, although a bit of a bigger difference in a couple of spots.
Does it run 11-32 and throw an extra one in somewhere?
Or are we talking 11-35 or something like that?
Either way, I think with all the options out there, an 11-32 or 11-28 and you select your crankset, 50/34 or 53/39 based on your terrain. I just don't see the need for 12 speeds, but a lot of people probably didn't see the need for an 11 speed either, honestly.
11-28 is pretty decent.
11-32 is pretty decent too, although a bit of a bigger difference in a couple of spots.
Does it run 11-32 and throw an extra one in somewhere?
Or are we talking 11-35 or something like that?
Either way, I think with all the options out there, an 11-32 or 11-28 and you select your crankset, 50/34 or 53/39 based on your terrain. I just don't see the need for 12 speeds, but a lot of people probably didn't see the need for an 11 speed either, honestly.
08-08-16, 01:16 PM
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Hope it doesn't come. I'm already missing 10 speed mostly just because I hate shifting 4 cogs down the cluster every time I stand with the new 11 speed. I suppose I'll adapt, but I still feel this is a legit gripe.
08-08-16, 01:22 PM
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08-08-16, 01:22 PM
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08-08-16, 01:31 PM
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08-08-16, 01:35 PM
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Sounds like you are using the wrong cassette then. You should be able to run almost any equivalent 10 speed cassette+1 bonus cog on the high or low end.
08-08-16, 05:42 PM
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08-08-16, 06:07 PM
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I was on 12-28 10 speed and am now on 12-28 11 speed. I've only got about 500 miles on the new DA 11 speed but so far I actually miss the bigger jump between gears. I previously had to shift twice to get from 28 to 21 now have to shift 3 times. In flats I don't mind 11 s at all, but in the hills I liked the ability to move more quickly down the cluster when transitioning from sitting to standing.
08-08-16, 07:20 PM
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I was on 12-28 10 speed and am now on 12-28 11 speed. I've only got about 500 miles on the new DA 11 speed but so far I actually miss the bigger jump between gears. I previously had to shift twice to get from 28 to 21 now have to shift 3 times. In flats I don't mind 11 s at all, but in the hills I liked the ability to move more quickly down the cluster when transitioning from sitting to standing.
08-08-16, 09:47 PM
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I was on 12-28 10 speed and am now on 12-28 11 speed. I've only got about 500 miles on the new DA 11 speed but so far I actually miss the bigger jump between gears. I previously had to shift twice to get from 28 to 21 now have to shift 3 times. In flats I don't mind 11 s at all, but in the hills I liked the ability to move more quickly down the cluster when transitioning from sitting to standing.
08-09-16, 01:40 AM
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Buddy of mine works for a company that makes gravel frames, and he's been hinting about 1x12 coming for that market.
Granted, where I live we have wayyyyy more gravel riders than road riders, so it may just be that the fast, cool local guys are interested in jumping on the hot new thing. I doubt 1x12 will be showing up on your local road group ride anytime soon.
But who knows?
Granted, where I live we have wayyyyy more gravel riders than road riders, so it may just be that the fast, cool local guys are interested in jumping on the hot new thing. I doubt 1x12 will be showing up on your local road group ride anytime soon.
But who knows?
08-09-16, 01:57 AM
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The advantage would be that a rider at a decent pace would not have to double-shift and hunt for the right gears if s/he were in a good cadence/effort level and the road or wind picked up just a little ... and being able to stay on one ring longer means not finding out halfway up a hill that you should have dropped to the small ring.
Can't say I think 12-speed is needed by most, and I think its best application is a 1x set-up ... but you know if they use it in the WorldTour peloton people will buy it.
08-09-16, 04:14 AM
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1x is soo ooglay. tiny chain ring, massive cassette.
i dont understand the confusion or difficulty having to "figure out" front shifting. if thats your thing, get internally geared hubs. for mtb... a rohloff bike is kinda delicious.
i dont understand the confusion or difficulty having to "figure out" front shifting. if thats your thing, get internally geared hubs. for mtb... a rohloff bike is kinda delicious.
08-09-16, 05:08 AM
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Meh. My low low is 34x32. Occasionally I do terrain that challenges that, but the more I can get out to the mountains the stronger I'll get. It'll take 12 speed a few years to mature enough to become marketable in a big way
08-09-16, 05:20 AM
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Anyway, saying that '12-speed is[n't] needed by most...but you know if they use it in the WorldTour peloton people will buy it' is being totally hypocritical for just about every cyclist on this forum. Practically any cyclist here will admit that they've appreciated the additional cogs for each iteration that has occurred in recent years (7 -> 8 -> 9 -> 10 -> 11). If Shimano or Campagnolo can manage to put 12 cogs on a 130mm OLD hub, I see no reason why I wouldn't buy it at some point. I love my 12-25 11 speed cassette. If I could tack on a 27-28T cog to that same cassette without losing anything, I'd be all over it.
As for 1X drivetrains, I've already made my comment on those in a prior post. SRAM can push 1X all it wants; I'll still be riding triples for as long as I can make them work.
08-09-16, 07:01 AM
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Shocking to consider but a significant number of cyclists are Not on this forum.
08-09-16, 07:40 AM
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Not me. 3x8 is as good as it gets IMO. Don't need more tightly packed gears and don't need a wider range.
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08-09-16, 08:59 AM
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What that misses is that a 1x12 setup has 12 useful ratios to cover the range of gears. Typical six speed rear freewheel, when you consider redundant ratios, and cross chaining issues had maybe 6-8 actual, useful, non redundant gears.
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08-09-16, 09:09 AM
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but with far less durability especially if one makes much use of that 10T cog.