Shimano's Newest Groupsets are Disappointing
05-08-17, 03:02 PM
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Also, their astonishingly loud, ostentatious branding is far too garish for my taste.
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Sounds like the OP is a shimano hater.
05-08-17, 03:54 PM
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Dura Ace, Ultegra and 105 have been compatible within a generation for a very long time. Sometimes they are even backwardly compatible to the previous generation.
05-09-17, 12:56 AM
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As someone who is not a road bike user, I feel Shimano has massive gaps with their crank options for someone who is into upgrading a hybrid or building up a frame from makers like Salsa, Surly, Soma etc.
What is the best double or single chainring crank that Shimano makes for this market?
It annoys the hell out of me that something like a 44/30 which use to be available on old XTR cranks, is not available in an 11 speed option.
Shimano has gone some way to addressing this with their Metrea range, but I don't like the styling of it and wish I could get the same sized chainrings that Metrea offers, on SLX, XT or even XTR cranks.
The sad situation above in respect of cranks, is reflected in the derailleur options that one would want to use for a 44/30 setup.
What is the best double or single chainring crank that Shimano makes for this market?
It annoys the hell out of me that something like a 44/30 which use to be available on old XTR cranks, is not available in an 11 speed option.
Shimano has gone some way to addressing this with their Metrea range, but I don't like the styling of it and wish I could get the same sized chainrings that Metrea offers, on SLX, XT or even XTR cranks.
The sad situation above in respect of cranks, is reflected in the derailleur options that one would want to use for a 44/30 setup.
05-09-17, 02:26 AM
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I thought the styling of Shimano's 105, Ultegra, and Dura-Ace were a stark contrast with the styling of the majority of bike frames on the market. Then there is the Metrea styling which is truly out of touch with the market. 
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05-09-17, 06:48 AM
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I don't really understand this thread.
The OP has an OPINION...which is obviously wrong, by the way.
The OP has an OPINION...which is obviously wrong, by the way.
05-09-17, 07:04 AM
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Shimano has always been a conservative company. They generally only make stuff that provably works, is durable and is easy to work on. These don't seem like faults to me. Hollowtech II, cup and cone hubs with great seals, alloy crankarms etc... all are gold standard designs that just work. Also, pretending that the company that basically invented everything seen on any bike these days isn't innovative is ridiculous.
05-09-17, 07:09 AM
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In the cycling world, Shimano is estimated to have 70% of the components market and 50% of the drivetrain market. Shimano has such market saturation that even with a continuing downward trend in profit, they're down to "just" $2.27B last year, compared to the roughly $600M SRAM does every year. Shimano will remain the industry leader as long as they continue to churn out the bare-bones components that outfit BSOs. Frankly, super-niche products like Eagle and eTap aren't going to magically propel SRAM to industry dominance. As fascinated as I am by doodads, I don't think wireless shifting is even necessary-- much less game-changing
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wireless!? does that mean it takes batteries? no thanks.
05-09-17, 08:42 AM
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Disappointment is typically caused by unrealistic expectations.
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