SoSmellyAir

Apparently not the case in sunny southern California, where the weather is finally cooling slightly.

Biggest pet peeve is my recent (circa mid 2022) loss of the ability to edit my previously posted threads; when I click edit, the window is blank.

* Edit: Then serendipitously I find out that if I first click to the post number to display the individual post in a separate browser tab, then click Edit, I can see my original post.

Also:

1. People who do not search.
2. People who start a new thread on almost exactly the same subject as another thread then currently among the top 25 or so threads on the front page of a sub-forum.
3. People complaining incessantly about #1 and #2.

FBinNY 

Good point but wrong pronoun. I don't use a tension meter when truing, and use one ONLY as a final QC, to sample tensions when building new wheels.

While I don't use a ruler, my build up process is highly focused on length. I start by turning all nipples to a set depth using an ejector screwdriver, and make a conscious effort to maintain uniform length. Final truing corrects for errors and rim deformities, with spoke lengths typically staying with 0.5mm (one turn). Tension stays even because there's no reason it wouldn't.

FBinNY 

Your pedantry is my precision in language.

smd4

The only pronoun I used was "you." How is that wrong?

Rolla

Your language lacked "precision." 🙄

FBinNY 

Since you quoted me, I took it to mean me.

smd4

Sorry. I was speaking informally, as we are wont to do on this site and others. Guess I should have said "why would one use a tensiometer?"

BTW, as long as we're using precision language, the term "tension meter" isn't found in the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary.

However, "tensiometer" is ("a device for measuring tension [as of structural material]").

RCMoeur 

Same here in the Searing Desert. The off-season is done, and the riding season is just getting ramped up...

From my cold dead fingers, bucko.

FBinNY 

I didn't have an issue with you in that context. I used the "wrong pronoun" as a tongue in cheek intro to the explanation that followed.

Sometimes, I'll use the phrase Tension Meter to avoid having to fight with spell check, especially when using voice to text.

pdlamb

Thank goodness you're not very picky!

Hondo6

FWIW: Park Tool refers to their TM-1 device for measuring spoke tension as a "Spoke Tension Meter" . The same term appears to be the term of choice used by numerous other manufacturers who make devices to measure tension in physical objects (wires, cables, belts, fabric) when referring to their products.

smd4

DT Swiss refers to it as a tensiometer:

https://northwestbicycle.com/product...xoCJz0QAvD_BwE

UnCruel 

Is it really a road racing bike if it has a bell on it? I think, by definition, the bicycle becomes something else once you put a bell on it, regardless of what it may have started out as.

Troul 

if someone understands what the end goal is supposed to be, yet a deliberate impediment using language is the barrier that prevents progress, that is poor behavior in logic.

Hondo6

Gee - maybe that means the terms "tension meter" and "tensiometer" are synonyms?

Which was actually the point of my comment: that the two terms, regarding measuring mechanical tension, are synonyms.

smd4

Except one is recognized in a dictionary as the correct name of the device, and the other is a made-up term.

FBinNY 

I agree wholeheartedly. OTOH - language and thought are closely intertwined, and when people don't KNOW, language can drive the process. I try to keep that in mind when responding to questions from folks that seem not to know.

FBinNY 

That's a flawed syllogism. Dictionaries generally don't include phrases. Tension meter describes the device accurately in the same way as "volt meter" would to an electric

So both are right, but I'll venture that Tension Meter would be clearer than Tensiometer to the uninitiated.

FWIW - "tensiometer" can also mean a device to measure blood pressure, on in another context. something to measure soil moisture content.

cxwrench

But the tension does change as you make the effective length of the spoke shorter while the tension doesn't change when you do the same to a derailleur cable. So referring to it as spoke 'tension' isn't wrong at all.

FBinNY 

I don't say it's wrong. Simply that it can be misleading to the initiated, and shift focus away from what's more important.

Shortening the spoke pulls the rim in and across. The change in spoke tension is a byproduct resulting from the rim's resistance. Those of us old enough to have built with 269gr. rims remember that they barely resisted at all.

An easy way to look at it is that tension is a force, but (in this context) length fixes position.

Rolla

All terms are made up. Dictionaries are more primarily descriptive than prescriptive.

Polaris OBark

As illustrated in post #2.

FBinNY 

FWIW-

After losing long posts while editing, I now post the original, including the various dingbats, then edit.

I find this easier, though it leads to some fun for a few minutes.

Some people might like features like auto-correct, but they remind me too much of the Sorcerer's Apprentice.

squirtdad

this is too good to not have some fun I may resemble a lot of the others

Back in the day a lot of crit riders used barcons. I seem to recall Greg LeMond using them in the cat's hill criterium in Los Gatos, certainly other riders did

this years tour de france had riders on 30 to 32 on the cobble stages, 25 on time trial and 25, 26, 28 for everything else (mix of tubular and tubeless)

squirtdad

another pet peeve cheap alternative chain lube and grease threads, like people are going broke getting a tube of Phil's or a bottle of Chain-L (or whatever else your favorite is )